The War in Ukraine
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We are back to the pre-1914 era of Great Power competition. This is a signal to Europe that the United States isn't going to pay for European Security any longer.
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Honestly, I think they have paid enough for all of our defence.
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"To understand Europe, you have to be a genius - or French."
Madeline Albright
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The European Union also isn't in the same league as the US, China, India and even Russia....
Because they have so much disunity and they are incapable of acting as a cohesive force. A stronger and more united Europe might be one positive that emerges from all of this.
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I don't care to understand Europe. All I want is to conduct commerce with them. Other than that they can stay over there.
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Modern political constructs still struggle with a 'feudal power map' that looks like this:
Explore this Fascinating Map of Medieval Europe
What did Europe look like in the Middle Ages? This map is a snapshot of medieval Europe back in 1444, during the rise of the Ottoman Empire.
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But an awful lot of folks out there, many on the more-right-end of the spectrum, were also happy to wonder why UKR was getting all this help when it didn’t seem to be doing any good - with Trump among those keener in backing the bully instead of the bullied, and many taking their cue from that
Like with a lot of GOP things lately, I can see some still happy to unquestioningly follow & support the tribe, and others wonder why they didn’t do better as a team given the chance to do so.
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But an awful lot of folks out there, many on the more-right-end of the spectrum, were also happy to wonder why UKR was getting all this help when it didn’t seem to be doing any good - with Trump among those keener in backing the bully instead of the bullied, and many taking their cue from that
Like with a lot of GOP things lately, I can see some still happy to unquestioningly follow & support the tribe, and others wonder why they didn’t do better as a team given the chance to do so.
Those who call for war need to the first in line with a rifle and helmet. And if not them then their children and grandchildren.
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Well one surprise was that Vance did a semi decent job of walking back the damage that PH and DJT did.But an awful lot of folks out there, many on the more-right-end of the spectrum, were also happy to wonder why UKR was getting all this help when it didn’t seem to be doing any good - with Trump among those keener in backing the bully instead of the bullied, and many taking their cue from that
Like with a lot of GOP things lately, I can see some still happy to unquestioningly follow & support the tribe, and others wonder why they didn’t do better as a team given the chance to do so.
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Wrong. Trump just wants the US$ secured. Europe secured its support to Ukr through loan guarantees. The US did no such thing, until now as Trump negotiates security in the form of resources.But an awful lot of folks out there, many on the more-right-end of the spectrum, were also happy to wonder why UKR was getting all this help when it didn’t seem to be doing any good - with Trump among those keener in backing the bully instead of the bullied, and many taking their cue from that
Like with a lot of GOP things lately, I can see some still happy to unquestioningly follow & support the tribe, and others wonder why they didn’t do better as a team given the chance to do so.
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Some days, that's a low bar, though.
We'll see how it all ends up, although I'm not optimistic for Team Blue & Yellow.Meanwhile, I'd be careful in UKR about sharing too many whiteboards these days ....
How the CIA and Ukrainian intelligence secretly forged a deep partnership
The partnership, according to officials who spoke to ABC News, has been essential to Ukraine defending itself as Russia invaded almost three years ago.
abcnews.go.com
The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin
For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.
CIA maintains 12 secret bases in Ukraine, CIA head was in Kyiv last week – NYT
The US’s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) maintains 12 secret bases in Ukraine along the border with Russia, and last Thursday CIA chief William Burns made his 10th secret visit to Ukraine since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion.
www.pravda.com.ua
QV
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Can we agree at least on the fact DJT communicates with a hammer and his back office follows up with the scalpel later?
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And we see how well that went for both Europe AND the "stay out of this one" U.S.
Meanwhile, "Negotiating" Team USSR 2.0 shakes out - highlights mine (via RUS independent media) ....
Putin Taps Spy Chief, Veteran Diplomat and U.S.-Sanctioned Financier for Ukraine Peace Talks – Bloomberg - The Moscow Times
Russian President Vladimir Putin has enlisted his spy chief, a veteran diplomat and a U.S.-sanctioned financier for anticipated peace talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine, Bloomberg reported Friday, citing anonymous sources familiar with the matter.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Late add to include: UKR wants format sorted before sitting down with RUS (we'll see if RUS's ok with ever sitting down with UKR) ....
Zelenskyy says he will only agree to meet with Putin after common plan with Trump is negotiated
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he will only agree to meet in-person with Russian leader Vladimir Putin after a common plan is negotiated with U.S.
apnews.com
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And we see how well that went for both Europe AND the "stay out of this one" U.S.
Meanwhile, "Negotiating" Team USSR 2.0 shakes out - highlights mine (via RUS independent media) ....
View attachment 91297Putin Taps Spy Chief, Veteran Diplomat and U.S.-Sanctioned Financier for Ukraine Peace Talks – Bloomberg - The Moscow Times
Russian President Vladimir Putin has enlisted his spy chief, a veteran diplomat and a U.S.-sanctioned financier for anticipated peace talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine, Bloomberg reported Friday, citing anonymous sources familiar with the matter.
Late add to include: UKR wants format sorted before sitting down with RUS (we'll see if RUS's ok with ever sitting down with UKR) ....
... while the BBC sums up some of the more-recent rolling back
Zelenskyy says he will only agree to meet with Putin after common plan with Trump is negotiated
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he will only agree to meet in-person with Russian leader Vladimir Putin after a common plan is negotiated with U.S.
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…ah, so UKR has a/some radiological device(s)…
Hence the hasty Russian “Ukraine won’t sit with us when we discuss them” back-track…
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If you mean Chernobyl, it's occupied by RUS troops, where RUS says UKR is endangering by shooting at it, and UKR says RUS says vice versa
If you mean .... more kinetic radiology, well, who's to say what various ISR or former South African physicists have been up to?
Certainly been talked about ...
Are nuclear weapons an option for Ukraine?
Ukrainian leaders have declared the need for either NATO membership or possession of nuclear weapons for security from Russia, but would face several technical and political challenges in acquiring such weapons.
www.iiss.org
Still early days, and I'm betting on RUS being able to finagle more than just a "DEAL deal". After all, RUS also said they wouldn't attack UKR once they got rid of their nukes, too. Time will tell, but my loonie's going on the "UKR's screwed" square for now - glad to be wrong, though.
Meanwhile, some initial UKR media post-Munich meeting:
Zelensky: Ukraine Mapped Out Allied Troop Deployment Plans
Ukraine has mapped a plan for the deployment of allied forces to deter Russian aggression after the ceasefire
mil.in.ua
Zelensky says the only Russian he’ll meet for peace talks is Putin — Meduza
Speaking at the Munich Security Conference on February 14, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said he would meet with only one Russian as part of peace negotiations — Vladimir Putin. However, he emphasized that this would happen “only after we [have a] common plan with Trump [and] Europe.”...
"Great but not last": Zelenskyy meets Vance as US peace strategy remains unclear - Euromaidan Press
At Munich Security Conference, Ukrainian President and US Vice President begin charting path to end Russia's war, with Vance emphasizing Washington's commitment to peace that prevents future conflicts.
euromaidanpress.com
Vance following meeting with Zelensky: We want to achieve durable, lasting peace
The United States wants to achieve a lasting and durable peace in Ukraine, not the kind of peace that will lead to conflict in a few years. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net
Zelensky following meeting with Vance: looking forward to welcoming General Kellogg to Ukraine
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated after his meeting with U.S. Vice President JD Vance that Ukraine is looking forward to Special Envoy Keith Kellogg’s visit to Ukraine for further meetings and deeper assessment of the situation. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net
And finally, prepare for the "UKR using chemical weapons" narrative from USSR 2.0.
Chemical Weapons Watchdog Says Found Banned CS Agent in Ukraine-Supplied Samples - The Moscow Times
The international chemical weapons watchdog said Friday it had found the banned riot control agent CS in nine samples handed to it by Ukraine from the front line in its war against Russia.
www.themoscowtimes.com
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I'm starting to wonder if having nuclear weapons should be an option for us.....if the 'New World Order' is being burned to the ground by Trump and its back to pre-1914, then we (Canada) need to pivot, get our head out of our ass and learn to think long-term strategically.If you mean Chernobyl, it's occupied by RUS troops, where RUS says UKR is endangering by shooting at it, and UKR says RUS says vice versa
If you mean .... more kinetic radiology, well, who's to say what various ISR or former South African physicists have been up to?
Are nuclear weapons an option for Ukraine?
Ukrainian leaders have declared the need for either NATO membership or possession of nuclear weapons for security from Russia, but would face several technical and political challenges in acquiring such weapons.
Still early days, and I'm betting on RUS being able to finagle more than just a "DEAL deal". After all, RUS also said they wouldn't attack UKR once they got rid of their nukes, too. Time will tell, but my loonie's going on the "UKR's screwed" square for now - glad to be wrong, though.
Meanwhile, some initial UKR media post-Munich meeting:
Zelensky: Ukraine Mapped Out Allied Troop Deployment Plans
Ukraine has mapped a plan for the deployment of allied forces to deter Russian aggression after the ceasefire
Zelensky says the only Russian he’ll meet for peace talks is Putin — Meduza
Speaking at the Munich Security Conference on February 14, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said he would meet with only one Russian as part of peace negotiations — Vladimir Putin. However, he emphasized that this would happen “only after we [have a] common plan with Trump [and] Europe.”...meduza.io
"Great but not last": Zelenskyy meets Vance as US peace strategy remains unclear - Euromaidan Press
At Munich Security Conference, Ukrainian President and US Vice President begin charting path to end Russia's war, with Vance emphasizing Washington's commitment to peace that prevents future conflicts.Vance following meeting with Zelensky: We want to achieve durable, lasting peace
The United States wants to achieve a lasting and durable peace in Ukraine, not the kind of peace that will lead to conflict in a few years. — Ukrinform.Zelensky following meeting with Vance: looking forward to welcoming General Kellogg to Ukraine
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated after his meeting with U.S. Vice President JD Vance that Ukraine is looking forward to Special Envoy Keith Kellogg’s visit to Ukraine for further meetings and deeper assessment of the situation. — Ukrinform.
And finally, prepare for the "UKR using chemical weapons" narrative from USSR 2.0.
Chemical Weapons Watchdog Says Found Banned CS Agent in Ukraine-Supplied Samples - The Moscow Times
The international chemical weapons watchdog said Friday it had found the banned riot control agent CS in nine samples handed to it by Ukraine from the front line in its war against Russia.
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i think thats a bit of an overreaction to our situation but if I was Poland, SK, Japan, Taiwan, Ukraine Id be getting on it
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