well if step one of his great peace plan is to give Putin everything he wants. I'm sure step two will be ukraine gives up all claims on the children/POWs and Zelensky must personally give a handy to every russian veteran.
The War in Ukraine
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There you go getting all facty and shit again
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hey this is trump the great negotiator we're talking about. He'll open with a handy from Zelensky (a hand-zee if you will) but he'll close with "30 minutes of anything goes with Ivanka"
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One would think the country being invaded should have a seat at the table?Love him or hate him, he's the dealmaker, so I suspect it's hard wired - especially dealing with parties he feels he has over a barrel.
Meanwhile, word of some movement via Truth Social here and here (highlights mine) ....
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Interesting difference in tone between the two updates. We'll see how things unfold now
Late edit, adding some MSM and US state media* updates:
Trump vows to 'immediately' negotiate for end to Ukraine war
US president vows to begin immediate negotiations with Putin, Zelenskyywww.voanews.com
Trump Says He And Putin Agreed To 'Start Negotiations Immediately' On Ending War In Ukraine
U.S. President Donald Trump says he had a "lengthy and highly productive" phone call with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin.www.rferl.org
Trump says Putin agrees to start negotiations to end war in Ukraine
The two leaders speak in a phone call and agree to start negotiations "immediately" over the war in Ukraine.www.bbc.com
Trump talks with Ukraine President Zelenksyy following Putin call
President Trump spoke by phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy Wednesday, the White House said, after talking earlier to Russian President Vladimir Putin about ending their long-running war.www.washingtontimes.com
Donald Trump call with Vladimir Putin confirms Ukraine not in driving seat
The BBC's Frank Gardner says improved relations between DC and Moscow may spell trouble for Kyiv.
Trump says Russia agrees to 'immediately' begin negotiations to end war in Ukraine
President Donald Trump announced he had a "lengthy" call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that their respective teams will begin negotiations over the war in Ukraine.www.foxnews.com
* - No, not being partisan here. Voice of America is "VOA is part of the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), the government agency that oversees all non-military, U.S. international broadcasting. It is funded by the U.S. Congress," including the editorials "Reflecting the Views of the U.S. Government"
This smells a lot like Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban but without the Afghan government. We all know how that ended.
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I think his first target would be Moldova. Much smaller with no NATO tripwires.
MilEME09
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Romania has forces training Moldova so a small trip wire
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I'll be going there next year on 26-01.
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100% - I guess that's why he called them second, and shared a far less glowing social media post after the call. Ironic that it looks like one of the first meetings'll take place in Munich.
Meanwhile, others want in on the action, too ...
Weimar+ statement (France, Germany, Poland, Italy, Spain, United-Kingdom, Ukraine, HRVP, European Commission) (12 Feb. 2025)
We are ready to enhance our support for Ukraine. We are committed to its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of (…)
www.diplomatie.gouv.fr
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That would be why I have him on ignore.
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Well, note the timings of POTUS47's Truth Social posts re: who he called first
Looks like some initial underwhelmed-ness on the part of UKR leadership.
Zelensky wants plan to 'stop Putin' before US-Russia talks
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said Thursday the United States should agree on a joint plan to stop Russia before talks with Moscow, as European leaders warned Washington not to hatch a deal…
www.france24.com
'Not very pleasant' — Zelensky comments on Trump calling Putin first
"I don't perceive this call as it was a priority that he (Trump) talked to Russia first. Although it's not very pleasant," President Volodymyr Zelensky said.
kyivindependent.com
Zelensky: Any bilateral talks on Ukraine without us are unacceptable
Ukraine will not accept any bilateral peace talks without Ukraine's participation. In addition, it is important for Ukraine to have European partners at the negotiating table. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net
The buck for sure stops with POTUS46, but it wasn't as if Republicans didn't drag their feet more than just a bit along the way, too
How stalled U.S. aid for Ukraine exemplifies GOP's softening stance on Russia
At about 2 a.m. last Tuesday, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin stood on the Senate floor and explained why he opposed sending more aid to help Ukraine fend off the invasion launched in 2022 by Russian President Vladimir Putin. “I don't like this reality," Johnson said. “Vladimir Putin is...
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Republicans’ topsy-turvy take on aid for Ukraine reveals party in thrall to Trump
Defense hawks such as Lindsey Graham who once demanded greater backing for Kyiv are now toeing the America First line
www.theguardian.com
Why are some Republicans opposing more aid for Ukraine?
Waning interest in Ukraine and mounting border concerns give the party a potent political weapon.
www.bbc.com
Most Republicans oppose US aid to Ukraine — 79% trust Trump above all for info on war: poll
Most self-identified Republicans oppose further US aid for Ukraine — and more than three-quarters trust former President Donald Trump above other government and media sources to inform them about t…
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Few US Presidents have been up to the task in the last few decades.Well, note the timings of POTUS47's Truth Social posts re: who he called first
Looks like some initial underwhelmed-ness on the part of UKR leadership.
Zelensky wants plan to 'stop Putin' before US-Russia talks
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said Thursday the United States should agree on a joint plan to stop Russia before talks with Moscow, as European leaders warned Washington not to hatch a deal…'Not very pleasant' — Zelensky comments on Trump calling Putin first
"I don't perceive this call as it was a priority that he (Trump) talked to Russia first. Although it's not very pleasant," President Volodymyr Zelensky said.Zelensky: Any bilateral talks on Ukraine without us are unacceptable
Ukraine will not accept any bilateral peace talks without Ukraine's participation. In addition, it is important for Ukraine to have European partners at the negotiating table. — Ukrinform.
The buck for sure stops with POTUS46, but it wasn't as if Republicans didn't drag their feet more than just a bit along the way, too
How stalled U.S. aid for Ukraine exemplifies GOP's softening stance on Russia
At about 2 a.m. last Tuesday, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin stood on the Senate floor and explained why he opposed sending more aid to help Ukraine fend off the invasion launched in 2022 by Russian President Vladimir Putin. “I don't like this reality," Johnson said. “Vladimir Putin is...Republicans’ topsy-turvy take on aid for Ukraine reveals party in thrall to Trump
Defense hawks such as Lindsey Graham who once demanded greater backing for Kyiv are now toeing the America First lineWhy are some Republicans opposing more aid for Ukraine?
Waning interest in Ukraine and mounting border concerns give the party a potent political weapon.Most Republicans oppose US aid to Ukraine — 79% trust Trump above all for info on war: poll
Most self-identified Republicans oppose further US aid for Ukraine — and more than three-quarters trust former President Donald Trump above other government and media sources to inform them about t…
Notable fails: Clinton for abandoning Somalia, Bush for not reacting to Russian invasion of Georgia - while the the Georgians where in Iraq support OIF, and Obama for letting the Russians into Ukraine, Trump45 for the Afghan "negotiations", Biden for the Afghan bail out, and slow walk of aid, now Trump47 poised to either take the mantel of most incompetent - or hopefully will rise to Reagan levels of effort - I must admit with some of his choices, such as a Russian sympathizer as DNI, I am not holding out hope.
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I'd add Clinton for fucking Rwanda - the current situation in the Congo, in fact the situation since about 1998, would not be occurring.
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Not to mention more than one POTUS of both colours - and a range of western governments - screwing over anti-ISIS Kurds
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USSR 2.0 spokesperson: yeah, I guess UKR'll be involved, somehow, but outside our RUS-USA track (via independent RUS media) ....
www.themoscowtimes.com
Kremlin Says Ukraine Will Be In Peace Talks ‘One Way or Another’ - The Moscow Times
The Kremlin said Thursday that Kyiv will be involved in peace talks to end the three-year conflict "one way or another," a day after U.S.
www.themoscowtimes.com
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