Hybrid Electric Vehicles

[FSTO]

These electric skid steers are starting to show up in Canada, or at least B.C.
Now on our farm we do use both tracked and wheeled skid steer loaders, they are both Kubota brand, and of course diesel. They are not expensive to operate, as long as I can stay ahead on maintenance and preventive maintenance. I’ve busted knuckles a few times on the old monkey wrench, but that’s part of the fun I guess.
That being said, I’d be willing to try an electric model if, and only if, it can run 5-6 hours without recharging, I can buy it used, and only if I can do the maintenance without involving very expensive technicians making field calls.

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Pro and Pre had electric forklifts. Did they go into storage or sent over to Asterix?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

do we write of the 25B we have invested in battery plants? Seems like with local manufacturers backing down the lion's share of production will go to the far east and I can't see shipping batteries from here to supply them?

Well if we convert them to ammunition and drone plants they might turn a profit.

 

[CountDC]

On a go-forward basis perhaps, but 'retro-burial' would be prohibitively expensive. Besides, I recall a large part of the original ice storm problem was high voltage transmission towers, and it is impractical to bury those.


I heard that it used to be a local backyard industry to 're-shoe' brake pads (Don't know if it still is). It must have been quite a toxic brew in the days of asbestos.

Re-shoe brak pads? Why? You can get them new for as little as under $20 at Canadian Tire.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Re-shoe brak pads? Why? You can get them new for as little as under $20 at Canadian Tire.

That was quite common in the 80/90's and you could get your shoes cut to fit your drums properly.

 

[Dana381]

That was quite common in the 80/90's and you could get your shoes cut to fit your drums properly.

I grew up wrenching in the 90's and I never seen it done, I heard about it being done so I think 70/80's might be more accurate.

Some heavy duty brakes still use replaceable, bolt on friction material. The only ones I have seen have been on highway coach busses. But the new material is sold formed and cut with counter sunk bolt holes in it.

Less and less are even remanufactured anymore. (No-core) the last few semi trailers I did brake jobs on were new brakes where I didn't have to return the cores. It costs too much to ship them back to the factory to be re-lined

 

[Good2Golf]

I grew up wrenching in the 90's and I never seen it done, I heard about it being done so I think 70/80's might be more accurate.

Some heavy duty brakes still use replaceable, bolt on friction material. The only ones I have seen have been on highway coach busses. But the new material is sold formed and cut with counter sunk bolt holes in it.

Less and less are even remanufactured anymore. (No-core) the last few semi trailers I did brake jobs on were new brakes where I didn't have to return the cores. It costs too much to ship them back to the factory to be re-lined

Yup, unless the cores are for components with valuable metals (like alternators w copper, etc) it’s easier to chuck out the old core.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I grew up wrenching in the 90's and I never seen it done, I heard about it being done so I think 70/80's might be more accurate.

Some heavy duty brakes still use replaceable, bolt on friction material. The only ones I have seen have been on highway coach busses. But the new material is sold formed and cut with counter sunk bolt holes in it.

Less and less are even remanufactured anymore. (No-core) the last few semi trailers I did brake jobs on were new brakes where I didn't have to return the cores. It costs too much to ship them back to the factory to be re-lined

There was still one place in Vancouver on Fraser doing them in the early 90's. We drop off a whack of old Landrover shoes and pick them up a few weeks later. Better quality than we go from the overseas places and a better price. I am sure all the people working their died of cancer.....

 

[Quirky]

 

[Fishbone Jones]

 

[daftandbarmy]

It's mainly about the subsidies, of course....

A Once Unthinkable Question: Could Electric-Vehicle Sales Decline This Year?​

The story of EV success is, in large part, a story about subsidies and government regulations — not just in the U.S. but around the world. Now that subsidies are shrinking or ending altogether, customers are already shunning the vehicles. After Germany abruptly ended its €6,700 subsidy for 2024, EV sales dropped immediately — even after carmakers said they would cover some of those costs. Similar cuts are taking place in France and are likely to happen soon in Norway. In the U.S., the number of cars that qualified for a $7,500 rebate dropped, with Ford’s month-over-month January-sales slide an early warning sign. And the opposite also appears to be true. According to Bloomberg, sales in China — where subsidies will continue through at least 2028 — are expected to rise to nearly 10 million this year, making the country the biggest single market in the world.

A Once Unthinkable Question: Could Electric-Vehicle Sales Decline in 2024?

Growth has long been a given. But a dismal stretch for the industry has at least a few analysts wondering.

nymag.com

 

[Colin Parkinson]

As I recall those Chinese subsidies only apply to domestically made cars as well. So manufacturers cannot take to much advantage of the market and there is to much turmoil and risk to expand production there.

 

[YZT580]

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[daftandbarmy]

Looks like we're #3...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790431356834488698

 

[OldSolduer]

Looks like we're #3...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790431356834488698

Someone has dirty knees.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The bloom is off the rose...

EV Purchase Consideration Cools for Second Consecutive Year in Canada, J.D. Power Finds​

New-Vehicle Shoppers in Canada Now Less Than Half as Likely to Consider an EV Than U.S. Shoppers

TORONTO: 30 May 2024 — Just 11% of new-vehicle shoppers in Canada say they are “very likely” to consider an electric vehicle (EV) for their next purchase, down 3 percentage points from 2023 and less than half of the 24% of U.S. shoppers who say they are “very likely” to consider an EV. That strong sense of resistance is the dominant theme of the J.D. Power 2024 Canada Electric Vehicle Consideration (EVC) Study,SM released today, which finds that perceptions of limited driving distance per charge, high purchase price and lack of charging station availability are the biggest factors limiting EV consideration.

“Auto manufacturers are staking their futures on EVs and investing massive sums in battery manufacturing facilities in Canada, but the reality is that they are still considerably more expensive than comparable gas-powered vehicles and more education is needed to help shoppers feel comfortable making the transition,” said J.D. Ney, director of the automotive practice at J.D. Power Canada. "While tackling the affordability problem is going to take some time, the other big obstacles right now—vehicle range and lack of experience with EVs—can be mitigated by broad consumer education. However, about half of shoppers in Canada still have never been in an EV, which limits purchase consideration.”

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-canada-electric-vehicle-consideration-evc-study

 

[ytz]

grand, state-led industrial strategies never work

The West’s humiliating electric car climbdown has begun

Ambitious plans for an electrification-led industrial revolution are in full-scale retreat

www.telegraph.co.uk

Oi dunno. Seemed like a good idear at the toime.

People say this. But it's what reindustrialized Europe after WWII. It's the basis of success for the Asian Tigers. And China pulled half a billion people out of abject poverty and got itself up to major global power. Seems to me, it has at least some utility. Perhaps the failures we see with state led industrial strategy have to do with our states and our industries?

When it comes to EVs and renewables, China has done well enough. Instead of trying to compete with two centuries worth of IP on combustion engines, they decided to lead on batteries. And some of that IP has spilled into renewables (solar PV is just semicomductor manufacturing at the end of the day). And they are reaping reasonable geopolitical rewards. They get to cut imported fuel (first demand growth than absolute demand) reducing a strategic vulnerability. And next they get to use their excess production to influence geopolitics. While Westerners fret about importing EVs, the Chinese wield Solar panels like the Saudis wield oil, in the developing world, particularly Africa. There's more fossil fuel importers than exporters in the world. And a few solar panels is life changing for the dirt-poor. But also, an improvement on energy independence for their government. Seems to be their industrial strategy is paying off in more ways than economics.

Oh. And like anything else, spin offs pay too. Turns out you need batteries for a lot of military stuff. From radios to drones to all kinds of pulsed electronics. So developing a battery sector isn't just industrial policy. Who knew?

 

[ytz]

I was on a Postgrad exchange at NPS in the US a few years ago. A whole lot of thesis topics were about vehicle electrification, renewables and water generation from renewables. A whole generation of combat vets with intimate knowledge of the precarity of fuel supply chains to their endpoint FOBs and COPs were quite interested in cutting fuel consumption to the maximum extent possible. I look forward to the technological change this generation will drive in 5-10 years when most of these guys are three and four ringers doing their concept development, r&d, procurement, etc.

 

[McG]

EV Purchase Consideration Cools for Second Consecutive Year in Canada

We should not be making our military vehicle decisions based on popular consumer trends in civilian markets.

Hybrid Vehicle and Electric Vehicle are not the same. Hybrid vehicles have internal combustion engines that can charge batteries and power the drive train (either directly or indirectly). Pure electric vehicles are not ready for most military requirements (though potentially some roles attached to MOBs, FOBs, APODs, SPODs, etc). But our future fleets must absolutely move toward predominantly hybrid systems. We need to be making that move now.

 

[ytz]

And the US is making that move too, while some dinosaurs here still think this is some hippie green thing, as opposed to offering real tactical (signature reduction) and operational (reduced logistical burden) advantages.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

, while some dinosaurs here still think this is some hippie green thing,

You know people might actually listen to you if you don't come off as a douche bag??