Replacing the Subs

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Germany has added to their Type 212CD order, bringing the order book for type to 12 (Germany 6, Norway 6). Of interesting in the article was the statement that Germany should have 5 active submarines at all times, which suggested a fleet size of 15 (using a 3:1 ratio). Either way, if Canada was to join, we'd have some commonality with two NATO partners (presumably we'd be buying the slightly larger 212 CDE version, but that shares much with the 212 CD), so no "orphan fleet" concerns. Question is if there is capacity to get us the first boat by 2035.

Four Type 212CD Approved As Germany Increases Order

The German Parliament as part of a funding splurge on defence has approved an additional four Type 212CD submarines for the German Navy.

www.navalnews.com

thyssenkrupp Marine Systems

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Always interesting to see countries like Germany or Norway that have coastlines similar or smaller than BC's entire coast obtaining more of a particular naval asset that us. We certainly should be obtaining a 12 at a min if Germany is getting 6.

Highly doubt that they have the bandwidth to add another 12 subs to their production line and meet both our requirement of an operational boat by 2035, produce another 11 for us and then meet their own timelines.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Germany has added to their Type 212CD order, bringing the order book for type to 12 (Germany 6, Norway 6). Of interesting in the article was the statement that Germany should have 5 active submarines at all times, which suggested a fleet size of 15 (using a 3:1 ratio). Either way, if Canada was to join, we'd have some commonality with two NATO partners (presumably we'd be buying the slightly larger 212 CDE version, but that shares much with the 212 CD), so no "orphan fleet" concerns. Question is if there is capacity to get us the first boat by 2035.

Four Type 212CD Approved As Germany Increases Order

The German Parliament as part of a funding splurge on defence has approved an additional four Type 212CD submarines for the German Navy.

www.navalnews.com

thyssenkrupp Marine Systems

www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.nl

Here's an interesting piece of info from the article -

"According to German defence media Hartpunkt NATO-goals entail a minimum of five German submarines available for operations from 2031. Applying the usual rule of thirds this figure implies up to 15 German submarines in service overall. However, availability-definitions likely include some slack allowing for fewer boats to meet the objective. The desired timeframe and total figures however raise questions over the German Navy’s ability to come true on stated intentions."

The German shipbuilder recently opened a brand new submarine production facility in Kiel which Naval News was able to tour earlier this year. Two parallel production lines would facilitate an acceleration in fielding the additional boats desired by both Germany and Norway. Whether production can ramp up quickly enough to allow the German Navy fielding five operational submarines by 2031 remains to be seen. TKMS is also pursuing sales opportunities for Type 212CD in Canada, Poland and India, although Naval News understands the focus with Delhi is on Type 214NG. Additional foreign orders would add further demand for increased production capacity.

 

[Underway]

I think they will get the Polish contract. That sub is ideal for the Baltics.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think they will get the Polish contract. That sub is ideal for the Baltics.

The Baltic is going to be a very very packed place with all these subs being added to it. Its kind of like adding more and more fish into an aquarium. There are only so many that can be added into the aquarium without stressing out all the other fish and using up all the available oxygen/resources.