Ironically this might not be us. Japan has had lots of issues trying to court military sales due to a lack of experience doing so. Australia also had them in the running for the Collins replacement but it didn't work out even as they were favored to win.
Japan not taking part in procurement bid for Canadian Navy's new subs
With billions of dollars at stake and Arctic security concerns, Canada’s submarine procurement competition is poised to be one of the decade's most sought after deals.www.hilltimes.com
Looks like it’s sayonara to the possibility of Japanese-built subs.
Replacing the Subs
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have Hanwha and Hyundai buried the hatchet? Hanwha dropped case against Hyundai over KDX but I dont know what that means for usInteresting thread out of South Korea. Basically we have to get deal signed next year or KDDX and Egyptian orders might consume available resources.may have to move quickly and commit to a large order or South Korea will sign with the other teams.
according to that thread there are lots of countries looking for subs
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Who and What Is Underwater in Canada's Arctic?
Podcast Episode · The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge · 11/26/2024 · 44m
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The guest (Prof Lajeunesse) has a great overview, in layman’s terms, of the pros and cons for SSKs and SSNs, and what is required up in the Arctic. His argument is that Canadian SSKs can “guard the doors” of the NWP.
Hyundai and Hanwha have made up, apparently in large measure to help secure the Canadian order.
www.koreatimes.co.kr
HD Hyundai-Hanwha rapprochement boosts prospects for Canada sub bid
Expectations are rising that the recent reconciliation between HD Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) and Hanwha Ocean could lead the Royal Canadian Navy to place an order with one of them to build 12 submarines, worth 60 billion Canadian dollars ($43 billion), to replace its aging fleet.
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Its funny how the prospect of 35-40$ billion USD can make friends out of enemies.Hyundai and Hanwha have made up, apparently in large measure to help secure the Canadian order.
HD Hyundai-Hanwha rapprochement boosts prospects for Canada sub bid
Expectations are rising that the recent reconciliation between HD Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) and Hanwha Ocean could lead the Royal Canadian Navy to place an order with one of them to build 12 submarines, worth 60 billion Canadian dollars ($43 billion), to replace its aging fleet.
Indeed.
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The guest was talking about Korean subs as being potential candidates for Canada and "The Bridge" said something about the good quality of Korean automobiles I thought he was being facetious. I guess they make better cars now? The only new car my Dad ever bought was an '86 Hyundai Pony and I don't recall us having it for long.Who and What Is Underwater in Canada's Arctic?
Podcast Episode · The Bridge with Peter Mansbridge · 11/26/2024 · 44m
The guest (Prof Lajeunesse) has a great overview, in layman’s terms, of the pros and cons for SSKs and SSNs, and what is required up in the Arctic. His argument is that Canadian SSKs can “guard the doors” of the NWP.
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The absolute scramble that will occur within DND and RCN if they actually buy 10-12 submarines should be case studied by organizational development psychologists.
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I've had Kia** Rio's for the last few years and thought they were pretty good, plus all the extras that you got free of charge makes them pretty attractive. Presently driving a 2018 Hyundai Kona and quite happy with it.
** Kia is a Hyundai subsidiary.
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Yes - they do. Their earlier offerings, much like the Japanese manufacturers back in the day, were less than stellar. Their motor vehicle company is a stand-alone of a very large manufacturing conglomerate that includes rail and ships.
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Where do you get scramble from a 10 year timeframe for the first submarine and a 20 year timeframe to the last submarine?
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I can't imagine any Canadian government not wanting to build at least some of the subs under license definitely if we are planning to get up to 12. Korea and Greece did with the German design. Not saying this is a good idea but I'd be very surprised if we didn't let alone if we actually buy more than six(or any really).
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I can almost guarantee this will not happen, considering the total lack of any ability of any Canadian shipyard to build submarines, now or at any time in the reasonable future. The South Koreans have apparently offered some aspects of work share for Canadian industry like the construction and maintenance of lithium ion batteries in their banks however, don't expect any construction anytime soon.
A program of Canadian built submarines would make the CSC program look like a McDonalds Value Meal in comparison.
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As much as I loved us to have another tool in the tool box in terms of being able to produce this sort of naval vessel here in Canada, I believe that it far beyond our current capabilities to build/enhance something as sophisticated as a modern submarine.
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Less than “Stellar”…I see what you did there. Seriously, though, I bought a 19 Kia Sorento on the word of a friend who swears by Kia and it has proven to be the best vehicle I have ever owned out of pretty much any brand you can imagine.
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Hyundai Cars went through a bad batch of engines in 2014-2017, mind you almost every car company now has a bad engine, transmission or both in their lineup.
I think that if SK gets the contract, they will give us a hull in their current build lineup, just far enough back to allow them to produce labels and manuals in English/French. Personally I like to see that sub once it reaches the water to stay alongside in SK, where we fly crews and maintainers over to train and familiarize. Once we have enough crew and maintainers trained, that sub sails to Esquimalt. Then the next hull is launched and they do workups there and some further training, repeat as each sub is produced. We can likley extend or shorten the contract to deliver based on our crew and maintainer resources and dockspace. If we get 8 subs, I can see a sub maintenance facility being opened on the East coast as well.
I think that if SK gets the contract, they will give us a hull in their current build lineup, just far enough back to allow them to produce labels and manuals in English/French. Personally I like to see that sub once it reaches the water to stay alongside in SK, where we fly crews and maintainers over to train and familiarize. Once we have enough crew and maintainers trained, that sub sails to Esquimalt. Then the next hull is launched and they do workups there and some further training, repeat as each sub is produced. We can likley extend or shorten the contract to deliver based on our crew and maintainer resources and dockspace. If we get 8 subs, I can see a sub maintenance facility being opened on the East coast as well.
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Yeah the Pony and first gen Excel were hot garbage but improved significantly after that. I had a second gen Excel and I expected it to blow or I would have to push it over a cliff after a couple of years. It was actually a great little car and sort of regretted trading it in for a Nissan 4x4. Passenger side mirror and 5th gear were optional!
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We're on our second Hyundai (including one with the troubled engine) and I think they are great, reliable value for the money. We will be in market in the spring but, sadly, Hyundai won't be on the short list. While they had great styling for the past decade or so, their new offerings - particularly their SUV lineup, are beyond butt ugly.
We actually had a first generation Pony for a while. Cheap, certainly not exciting but we didn't really have any troubles with it. The story goes that their earlier products drew heavily on allied vehicles left behind after the Korean War. I recall poking around under the hood of the Pony and thinking it looked a whole lot like the '50s NA and British vehicles I cut my early teeth on.
Germany has added to their Type 212CD order, bringing the order book for type to 12 (Germany 6, Norway 6). Of interesting in the article was the statement that Germany should have 5 active submarines at all times, which suggested a fleet size of 15 (using a 3:1 ratio). Either way, if Canada was to join, we'd have some commonality with two NATO partners (presumably we'd be buying the slightly larger 212 CDE version, but that shares much with the 212 CD), so no "orphan fleet" concerns. Question is if there is capacity to get us the first boat by 2035.
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Four Type 212CD Approved As Germany Increases Order
The German Parliament as part of a funding splurge on defence has approved an additional four Type 212CD submarines for the German Navy.
www.navalnews.com
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