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Yea, because having that second car and hot tub is so much more important then caring about having unknown strangers raise your kids....
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Yea, because having that second car and hot tub is so much more important then caring about having unknown strangers raise your kids....
Uh, how long has it been since you’ve needed to look at what it costs to buy a first home? You’ve got a generational advantage here. Single income families aren’t really a viable thing anymore unless they want to spend their life caught in the apartment rent trap.
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I would have hoped that the CPC would take the same tack as Bruce here and hand the LPC an easy victory in the next election, but they have wisely kept their mouths shut on the issue.
They probably know its a easy winning issue for those its effects, younger Canadians with kids and women.
They probably know its a easy winning issue for those its effects, younger Canadians with kids and women.
Erin O’Toole’s been pounding the housing costs drum quite loudly. It’s a good issue for them to be picking for some campaign focus, it’ll resonate with a lot of normal people and a lot of younger people.
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A lot of "public services" don't break even - like public transit, for example. So the question is: should low-cost day care be a public service?
On the one hand, some see evidence it can be good for the economy. On the other, some see it having not-so-good short-and-longer-term effects.
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And the evidence is that the majority of those Quebec 10$ daycare slots were snapped up by upper middle class families and not necessarily the people that maybe needed it the most.
I am uncomfortable with Governments taking forays into childcare when, I think we can all agree based on recent events, the track record of stewardship of children in care is not strong in this country. But, maybe this time it will be different…
I am also uncomfortable with the “certainty” in some quarters that government funded/provided daycare is the only model. I am rather partial to idea of choice. Perhaps we could come up with the system that would cost about the same money where parents could either chose subsidized daycare or chose for one of them to be subsidized to stay home and raise their own children?
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Coincidentally, the BC
This is clearly pandering to their strong hold on the urban regions, like Vancouver and Victoria, and another snub to rural BC which has few NDP MLAs and less public transit but, as we're seeing with the fires,is suffering the most from climate change.
B.C. rolling out free transit for kids starting in September
British Columbia’s youngest residents will be able to ride all forms of public transit for free starting next month.
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Vancouver/Victoria, BC’s new ‘Toronto’.Coincidentally, the BCCommiesNDP just announced a $28 million program to enable under 12s to ride public transit for free.
This is clearly pandering to their strong hold on the urban regions, like Vancouver and Victoria, and another snub to rural BC which has few NDP MLAs and less public transit but, as we're seeing with the fires,is suffering the most from climate change.
B.C. rolling out free transit for kids starting in September
British Columbia’s youngest residents will be able to ride all forms of public transit for free starting next month.vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca
604/250 becomes 416/905’s obnoxious little brother.
daftandbarmy
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Transit requires population density to be effective.
If your lifestyle choice is all about sprawl and increased infra costs to service one home, where in urban areas those costs are amortized over hundreds of homes, don't be surprised that that majority is able to gain support
If your lifestyle choice is all about sprawl and increased infra costs to service one home, where in urban areas those costs are amortized over hundreds of homes, don't be surprised that that majority is able to gain support
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Province of Vancouver?
City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
Empire Toronto. Jarnhamar, keep calling Toronto an "empire". I'll keep reminding you that the "empire" has to go grovelling to Queen's Park with hat in hand to beg permission every time they wish to install a speed bump on a city street. As for Toronto Police, as the largest municipal police...
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Was the expansion due to subsidized child care? A look at work force participation over time, broken down by province or region, would be more compelling than a claim of an effect that could be due to other policy changes.
I doubt young families looking for houses will benefit. Subsidizing things that middle class families want puts more money into the hands of all middle class families, and one of the things they want is better homes in better neighbourhoods. Young families are still going to be at the back of the line when more established families start bidding wars over houses with their subsidy windfalls. I suppose some advocates are still holding out hope for that economic unicorn, an increase in demand for the same amount of supply which does not result in price increases.
There may be good reasons for subsidizing child care, but advocates should try steel-manning their case rather than squinting and cherry-picking one or two observations that look good and leaving it to critics to demolish the conclusion by looking more closely at all the moving parts. Some things that probably will not turn out to be true no matter how many data are teased: a social program that pays for itself with increased tax revenues, a remarkable net increase in work force participation, improvements in quality of care, effective cost control, better outcomes for children across the board and not just in unrepresentative sample studies.
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I don't know about other places, but some daycare have early start learning. My grandson was at a Montessori daycare. We picked that one because of their program.
If the government is funding a daycare, does that mean they get to control the programs used in those daycare facilities?
If the government is funding a daycare, does that mean they get to control the programs used in those daycare facilities?
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I would expect publicly-run daycares to follow some kind of plan, the same way publicly-run schools do.
Unfortunately, the plan probably doesn't matter very much. Gains from accelerated early learning wash out by the late pre-teen years. Better if the kids are well-socialized, well-mannered, and not over-watched or pushed.
Unfortunately, the plan probably doesn't matter very much. Gains from accelerated early learning wash out by the late pre-teen years. Better if the kids are well-socialized, well-mannered, and not over-watched or pushed.
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Yes.
The socialist paradox: the less you pay the fewer the choices you have.
You know, like issued kit only comes in two sizes: too large, too small.
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There isn't going to be a spot for every kid, so there will still be private daycare to choose from, they are not going anywhere.
This is the best of both worlds, private for those who want private, and public for those who cannot afford private.
This would make for more choices not less.
Current choices are,
1) Be able to afford private daycare
2)Stay at home
New choices will be
1)Be able to afford private daycare
2)Access public affordable daycare
3)Stay at home
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Depending on what each province proposes, access and subsidy are two different things. If you can find a daycare to take your child, you are eligible for a subsidy (just as if you can find a doctor, you are eligible for public coverage).
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I think it's more in depth than that.
If it is based on the Quebec model, which I believe to be the case, the individual daycare is either in the program or not.
If it's in the program,then they offer 10 dollars a day daycare, reimbursed by the province, via the Feds, per child under their care.
The parents don't see any of the paperwork besides the 10 dollars a day.
All the parent will know is if they are paying 200 dollars a month on daycare or 2500
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