Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????

[Jarnhamar]

So 82 of 121 voted to ban sex-selective abortions.

Devils advocate. What if there was a way to detect whether an unborn baby had a predisposition to be a homosexual or not. Would opposing selective abortions be viewed the same if Canadians were aborting babies that would likely be homosexual?

 

[Remius]

I think we're on the same page with our criticisms in meaning the Chinese government rather than China.

A very good distinction to make. Thanks for that.

 

[Altair]

Wait... are you talking about the bill which sought to ban doctors from performing an abortion based on the sex of a fetus?

So of all the reasons one might obtain an abortion, 248 MPs believe that once the family finds out the fetus is a female one they should be able to eliminate it for that reason alone and perhaps keep doing so until they get a male fetus?

That Bill to me sounds like a reasonable limitation on a serious and sensitive matter. And for a party of claimed feminists, you'd think they would take steps to protect those that can't protect themselves, such as the unborn.

Which demographics do you think defeating this legislation helps most? Which demographics favor male births over female for example? Which countries discarded baby girls at birth? But this Bill and the CPC are framed as an anti-abortion anti choice.

CityNews

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A majority of the Canadian public are satisfied with the country’s abortion policies, a new poll says.

The DART & Maru/Blue Voice Canada poll released on Friday says 75 per cent of Canadians were “satisfied” with Canada’s abortion policies, with 25 per cent indicating they are not satisfied.

Here are some other highlights of the poll:

• Seventy-one per cent believe that a woman should be able to get an abortion if she decides she wants one no matter what the reason

Now imagine what happens when you are a person who would never vote for a party who's members vote for taking away the right of a woman for getting an abortion, no matter the reason.

Oh wait,we know the answer. 6 out of 10 Canadians don't consider theCPC as a viable voting option.

It was a LPC trap, the CPC walked right into it, and now the CPC has a hard cap over their head from just 1 issue alone.

Never mind all the rest.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I like how you ignored the carbon tax, gun control and pipelines

He probably would have spoken about gun control but the LPC would censor it since its a matter of national security.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I like how you ignored the carbon tax, gun control and pipelines

That's a pretty big brain fart right there. You do realize I was writing about something specific, and am not under obligation to you to address everything you think needs to be addressed?

 

[Remius]

That's a pretty big brain fart right there. You do realize I was writing about something specific, and am not under obligation to you to address everything you think needs to be addressed?

To be honest though I think that the CPC can still shape the gun rights issue and carbon pricing to there advantage if they can communicate a bit better on those issues.

 

[Altair]

That's a pretty big brain fart right there. You do realize I was writing about something specific, and am not under obligation to you to address everything you think needs to be addressed?

You did quote me to be fair.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I did, for the one line, to make the point that voters are responsible for election results.

The rest was about the so-con boogeyman scare.

 

[Altair]

I did, for the one line, to make the point that voters are responsible for election results.

And political parties are responsible for providing platforms that convince the voting public to vote for them.

If a party isn't doing that,it's disingenuous to blame the voter.

The CPC is not entitled to Canadians votes if the Liberals are messing up anymore than the Marijuana party

 

[OldSolduer]

I think we're on the same page with our criticisms in meaning the Chinese government rather than China.

As Ed McMahon used to say:

“you are correct sir hahaha “

 

[Brad Sallows]

If a party isn't doing that,it's disingenuous to blame the voter.

A party obviously can not be all things to all people. It's absurd for any one person to blame all parties for not fitting what he wants; it's absurd for any number of people to complain. And people are liars.

Conservatives are not homogeneous. The CPC has the same problem facing Republicans in the US: there is a sub-faction of the party that can't stand not being in control of the party, so they go sit in a corner and sulk and either withhold their votes or vote for another party. It doesn't occur to them to suck up their dissatisfaction and support the people who supported them, and wait for the wheel to turn.

 

[Altair]

A party obviously can not be all things to all people.

Of course not. A party just has to be enough things to enough people.

It's absurd for any one person to blame all parties for not fitting what he wants;

It is, but is also absurd to blame the voters when a party isn't giving the individuals enough of what they want.

it's absurd for any number of people to complain.

They aren't complaining so much as not voting for the parties that are not giving them enough of what they want.

And people are liars.

Election results are not lies. Polling isn't lying.

Conservatives are not homogeneous. The CPC has the same problem facing Republicans in the US: there is a sub-faction of the party that can't stand not being in control of the party, so they go sit in a corner and sulk and either withhold their votes or vote for another party.

Or what they are offering isn't what they want and the LPC is closer to what they want, or what they are going to get.

It doesn't occur to them to suck up their dissatisfaction and support the people who supported them, and wait for the wheel to turn.

Again, blaming the voter is the most petulant thing one can do. The CPC doesn't own the vote of any person in this country. If the CPC is actively irritating a sub faction of their supporters, hell ya that sub faction will go elsewhere or park their vote. Same way there were subfactions of the LPC that bolted to the NDP in 2011.

Its up to the parties to come up with a platform and priorities that enough voters can support, and if they do not, they will not get good results. The CPC isn't where they are today because of the voting public, the CPC is where they are today because they are failing to be a viable alternative.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

. The CPC isn't where they are today because of the voting public, the CPC is where they are today because they are failing to be a viable alternative.

Exactly. How I wish they would, so that I could vote for them again, as opposed to voting against someone else

 

[RangerRay]

It’s almost like the Tories aren’t even trying to convince Blue Liberals to support them other than “look how bad your guy is!” (Which, he is).

It also doesn’t help that Tories in Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario are putting pucks in their own net with ham-fisted ideological but unpopular decisions. Tends to make people stay with the loser they have than take a flyer on Door #2.

 

[Good2Golf]

Attract Blue Liberals seems lower on the list than shun Red Tories…

While the Liberal are doing a great job facilitating internal fractures in the Greens and NDP and subsuming the byproduct of those fractures into their own party, the Conservatives continue to ignore ‘selection and maintenance of the aim’ (rebuild to be a credible, if not attractive alternative to the the existing government) and seem to support their own internal feeling better about their internal coherence than a drive to form the next government.

A quick look at the math would indicate LPC eating most of the Green machine, a fair chunk of Orange and about 2/3 of old school
PC territory, leaving mostly a Rose by any other name ‘Reform/Alliance/CPC’ Blue Machine moving forward.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Attract Blue Liberals seems lower on the list than shun Red Tories…

While the Liberal are doing a great job facilitating internal fractures in the Greens and NDP and subsuming the byproduct of those fractures into their own party, the Conservatives continue to ignore ‘selection and maintenance of the aim’ (rebuild to be a credible, if not attractive alternative to the the existing government) and seem to support their own internal feeling better about their internal coherence than a drive to form the next government.

A quick look at the math would indicate LPC eating most of the Green machine, a fair chunk of Orange and about 2/3 of old school
PC territory, leaving mostly a Rose by any other name ‘Reform/Alliance/CPC’ Blue Machine moving forward.

Remember the Reagan democrats? More recently, Boris Johnson won by turning a bunch of previously solid Labour ridings Tory Blue.

I wrote about this a couple of years ago: Blue-collar conservatism

 

[Brad Sallows]

The usual choices, "exit" or "voice", apply. Some conservatives have chosen, and will choose, "exit".

No point musing about better defence policies in one forum while finding reasons in another forum to vote for a party which ranges from indifferent to hostile to spending money on defence.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I think we're on the same page with our criticisms in meaning the Chinese government rather than China.

Ah, but the Chicom government IS China. It will remain that way until the population replaces the current dictatorship.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Remember the Reagan democrats? More recently, Boris Johnson won by turning a bunch of previously solid Labour ridings Tory Blue.

I wrote about this a couple of years ago: Blue-collar conservatism

If the CPC were smart enough to differentiate between union members and union leadership, they could make significant gains. The leadership will almost never vote for them, but union members are likley to be fairly conservative, like guns, 4x4's, jobs and have a fairly strong value system.

 

[FJAG]

If the CPC were smart enough to differentiate between union members and union leadership, they could make significant gains. The leadership will almost never vote for them, but union members are likley to be fairly conservative, like guns, 4x4's, jobs and have a fairly strong value system.

Not so much nurses and teachers. For them its the bottom line in their pay and benefits packages - and there are lots of them.