Forces struggling to recruit...

[couchcommander]

Not to mention even when they do come here, often times we don't recognize their credentials.

Nothing like an Amway salesman with a masters in structural engineering.

 

[GAP]

Not to mention even when they do come here, often times we don't recognize their credentials.

Nothing like an Amway salesman with a masters in structural engineering.

While I grant that the Canadian organizations have been heavy handed in recognizing credentials, they sometimes have good reason.
I have worked with a couple of immigrants who had wonderful degrees. They were so incompetent in their fields, one a "structural engineer" who could not have built a bird house if his life depended on it. The other a "computer engineer" who could not figure out how to format a hard drive, nor a floppy, and did not have enough sense to check to see if the monitor was plugged in when the screen came up black...two wildly illogical instances, maybe....but maybe not.

 

[Gunner]

While I grant that the Canadian organizations have been heavy handed in recognizing credentials, they sometimes have good reason.

+1. 

 

[Lost_Warrior]

They were so incompetent in their fields,

You have to understand, there are people like that from all walks of life including Canada.  I worked with someone who finished their degree in Networking at a college (CEGEP) here in Montreal.  The guy couldn't even explain some of the basics in network infrastructure (Ex: He was trying to get into a router, and freaking out when it wasn't working.  I had to explain that he was not on the same subnet, and thats why he could not access it...simple stuff)

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not to mention even when they do come here, often times we don't recognize their credentials.

Nothing like an Amway salesman with a masters in structural engineering.

My wife just went through this when they didn’t recognize her law degree from London, England, mind you the Law society just started admitting lawyers from other provinces. I also had a girlfriend who was a teacher, when we went for the interview at the teaching association, they said they would not recognize her special education degree from the University of Montreal. I asked why? They replied: “We don’t know what their syllabus and standards are”

I picked up her phone and told her: “Why don’t you phone them and have them fax it to you, goddam lazy F***”

Any respect I have had for any professional associations has been flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with standards, instead it’s more likely: Racism, sandboxism, egoism or protectionism.   

 

[armyrules]

The Army never had any problems with me wantong to join!! I'm so gung ho about the whole thing can't wait to start BMQ in OCtober!! I wonder why they are having problems? I heard on the news awhile ago that most of the new recruits usually quit at the paper processing phasse because it takes too long or there is a problem. In my opinion if you want it tha bad then its ok to wait but if you're an impatient little S##$ then find another job that tolerates your problem. But from personal experience I've never had a probelm with the processing of my apps or the interview or the CFAT so I don't know what everyone is whining about anyways. Sorry for the rant I just get worked up a little
:cheers: boys and gals !!

 

[Hot Lips]

I see...
Thanks for that armyrules  ??? ...IMO it's not a matter of the ability to wait...it has been for me...hurtles in a recruiting system that seems to be struggling as of late...

I would agree persevering does pay off...and yes...what's worth having is worth waiting and fighting for.
I don't believe most people who are citing examples here of struggles are reflecting what one would expect to be the "norms" for wait times...

HL

 

[Long in the tooth]

"Any respect I have had for any professional associations has been flushed down the toilet."

This has been my opinion for years now, let alone the time it takes to receive credit for overseas training.  In my view it's a union 'closed shop' and extends to how universities treat credits from other institutes of higher learning.

But then if equivilency were more prevalent they wouldn't have as much business...

 

[PEI.Girl]

For me, it's the time frame. I'm applying to the reserves, and it's taking a very long time. Almost 8 months now.

 

[Franko]

For me, it's the time frame. I'm applying to the reserves, and it's taking a very long time. Almost 8 months now.

PEI.Girl,

http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/24937.0.html

You will not have multiple forum accounts without prior permission.

Nice try.

The Army.ca Staff

 

[Col.Steiner]

Relax security clearences.  Um hell no.  They are many reasons why recruiting is meessed up but security clearences aren't where I'd be cutting.

The security clearance would be ok if they did the fucking checks in a reasonable amount of time! 2 to 3 years is just plain stupid, lazy, and disrespectful to the applicant. Only one in a million would still be interested in joining after such a ridiculous wait, and we just don't have that many people in the country to be that selective.

 

[Rayman]

The security clearance in my opinion is a needed thing. Working as a cleaner right now we have buildings that contain different levels of security clearances just to sweep and mop the floors. In fact in the event of a disaster cleanup we have to be escorted with the Comissionaires (I actually like this cause a lot are ex-military and great to talk to). Its good to know who might come into contact with information that is not meant to leave that room, and in fact many cleaning companies have it right in their policies that as much as looking at any document be it a grocery receipt or even a little Garfield capture warrants dismissal. So if were going to hire people that may work on experiemental weapons systems, or handle more sensitive issues such as numbers and exercises and such we should know that we can trust them and theyre not actually up to something different.

Of course now most people may have a clean record, but have ancestory that isnt exactly (i.e. me) and I believe it helps them establish who is more of a risk than others, though in all reality they may not be. Of course simply if these people want to be in the Canadian Forces bad enough and want to do this as a career. They would be phoning their local CFRC asking if they've heard anything. Keeping their pants on and working on physical fitness and such. If they give up cause after so many months files are having trouble going through well A ) thats life, dont know how many government clearance forms ive filled out just to be stand-by at a government building B ) if the recruit schools are busting at the seams well maybe theres a lot more papers that were there before theirs C ) if they're giving up that easy and saying "oh well, bun them they dont want me that bad then" then maybe they arent as devoted as they should be considering they're applying to the military, not the local Sobeys. From what I understand you need to give it your all and more cause thats what the military trains you to do. You want it that bad? Work for it. Nothing in life that is worth it is without struggle. What are they going to do out in the field when they find out the chopper thats supposed to come get them had to be grounded for repairs and another is a good couple hours away? Give up and surrender saying "oh well, they werent coming to get us anyways."

 

[Roy Harding]

The security clearance would be ok if they did the fucking checks in a reasonable amount of time! 2 to 3 years is just plain stupid, lazy, and disrespectful to the applicant. Only one in a million would still be interested in joining after such a ridiculous wait, and we just don't have that many people in the country to be that selective.

I don't know how many times on these forums it has been pointed out that security clearances are NOT done by the CF.

There is a need for security clearances, I don't find that need disrespectful to applicants.  I DO find your accusation that the people who conduct those clearances are "plain stupid, lazy, and disrespectful" to be disrespectful to those who are swamped with security clearance applications.

I take it that you were that "one in a million" who remained interested long enough to join?

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

It may take longer now a days with the 9/11 aftermath etc.

 

[mashup]

The security clearance would be ok if they did the ******* checks in a reasonable amount of time! 2 to 3 years is just plain stupid, lazy, and disrespectful to the applicant. Only one in a million would still be interested in joining after such a ridiculous wait, and we just don't have that many people in the country to be that selective.

This happened to be my situation.  I graduated with my PolySci degree in 2002 from an American university, and applied as a Direct Entry Officer to the CF later that summer through the office in Vancouver.  It took until the summer of 2005 to finally get my invitation to accept or decline working for the CF.  I had to invest a pretty significant amount of time and money to get my application through CFRC Vancouver limbo, from LASIK and paying to get my degree verified by an outside agency, to repeated fitness and medical checks (3 year process = expired), to reopening my file because which was closed when I left Vancouver for a month to go traveling in the UK.

I understand now it's going to take more time for clearances for those enroling officer-side, as well as for Canadians who've studied abroad (though I maintain the US is hardly Yemen).  However, in this time I was waiting to hear back from the CFRC my life was essentially on hold and it's immensely frustrating not only to wait, but to recieve so little information:  'We're still waiting to hear back from Ottawa'.  While it's amusing to say to your friends that your arts degree is so meaningless you can't even join the army with it, the end result of all this waiting is that I became extremely cynical in regards to the CF even before I recieved my service number.

Bright and driven people chafe under situations where they're not allowed to work.  If you consider your time valuable, 2-3 years is a very long time to spend waiting for something, especially with no promise of return.  I had long given up on my CF application and had moved on to other things by the time it was finally processed and it came as a surprise.  2-3 year wait times do push people away.  It's not unreasonable to ask that the CF expidites the application process, and it makes a hell of a lot of sense to improve badly-functioning systems rather than training people to suck it up under inefficiency that could be avoided.  Being swamped with applicants shouldn't be a reason it takes 2-3 years to process files, it should be a reason the method of processing them needs to be improved.  Acceptance of bureaucratic inefficiency is something that ought to be burned out of the CF with extreme prejudice.  I sincerely hope that's not a minority opinion in the higher echelons of the CF; I'm still a little green to have drawn my own conclusions.

 

[kincanucks]

This happened to be my situation.  I graduated with my PolySci degree in 2002 from an American university, and applied as a Direct Entry Officer to the CF later that summer through the office in Vancouver.  It took until the summer of 2005 to finally get my invitation to accept or decline working for the CF.  I had to invest a pretty significant amount of time and money to get my application through CFRC Vancouver limbo, from LASIK and paying to get my degree verified by an outside agency, to repeated fitness and medical checks (3 year process = expired), to reopening my file because which was closed when I left Vancouver for a month to go traveling in the UK.

I understand now it's going to take more time for clearances for those enroling officer-side, as well as for Canadians who've studied abroad (though I maintain the US is hardly Yemen).  However, in this time I was waiting to hear back from the CFRC my life was essentially on hold and it's immensely frustrating not only to wait, but to recieve so little information:  'We're still waiting to hear back from Ottawa'.  While it's amusing to say to your friends that your arts degree is so meaningless you can't even join the army with it, the end result of all this waiting is that I became extremely cynical in regards to the CF even before I recieved my service number.

Bright and driven people chafe under situations where they're not allowed to work.  If you consider your time valuable, 2-3 years is a very long time to spend waiting for something, especially with no promise of return.  I had long given up on my CF application and had moved on to other things by the time it was finally processed and it came as a surprise.  2-3 year wait times do push people away.  It's not unreasonable to ask that the CF expidites the application process, and it makes a hell of a lot of sense to improve badly-functioning systems rather than training people to suck it up under inefficiency that could be avoided.  Being swamped with applicants shouldn't be a reason it takes 2-3 years to process files, it should be a reason the method of processing them needs to be improved.  Acceptance of bureaucratic inefficiency is something that ought to be burned out of the CF with extreme prejudice.  I sincerely hope that's not a minority opinion in the higher echelons of the CF; I'm still a little green to have drawn my own conclusions.

:crybaby:

 

[aesop081]

:crybaby:

+1000

 

[slowmode]

What I noticed is a lot of reservists are High school/college/university students. The Military should set up little recruiting venues in schools across the country. Its a great way to recruit people. Another good way is simply showing your presence, if you show your presence to the Canadian Audience more will see you and what you do. Just my little opinions 

 

[Michael OLeary]

What I noticed is a lot of reservists are High school/college/university students. The Military should set up little recruiting venues in schools across the country. Its a great way to recruit people. Another good way is simply showing your presence, if you show your presence to the Canadian Audience more will see you and what you do. Just my little opinions 

(Emphasis added)

Sadly, there are those who would disagree.

Operation Objection: Group wants recruiters out of schools & public events

 

[slowmode]

(Emphasis added)

Sadly, there are those who would disagree.

Operation Objection: Group wants recruiters out of schools & public events

Thats quite sad to read, what ever happend to freedom of assosiation. You are just exposed to what we do and one can choose to join. What gives people the right to hide and take away the right to show people who we are, and what we do.