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Canadian Military Prison

pcain said:
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As you say, Sorry I couldn't resist, I think our members would get a big kick on your take of this Forum.
I often wonder why people with such a low regard for the Military, would waste their time reading or
posting on it.

Check out this persons web page.

 
MikeM said:
Don't wanna give away the secrets!   ;D


No MikeM, I don't think thats it. But while we are on the subject of SDB's an FDB's and serving in that
Era of their hayday. Principally No.4 SDB Montreal - No.12 SDB Camp Borden and No.1 FDB Soest
Germany. Yes we had one in almost every part of Canada.

Admittedly, I'm not familiar with to-days conditions or routins, but after reading this thread, they
sound like Club MED instead of ED., by comparison

There are a few minor differences between then and now for sure.

1. The point system referred to was only to earn Remission (time off) from their sentences.

2. All the Staff were Provost, with the exception of the Cooks RCASC and the MIR Cpl. RCAMC.

3. There was no privileges ie: Radio, T.V. or Smoking.

4. No. 1 Diet was accompanied by Vitamin Pills. SD's wore only socks & coverhalls and cells were lightless

5. All Staff members except Officers, The RSM were addressed as STAFF.

6. When a STAFF entered your cell, you immediately screamed staff, dropped what you were doing
    and ran to the fartherest wall with your nose and toes against it.

7. Your cell usually consisted of a built in wooden table and bunk, bleached white from scrubbing.

8. If SD's arrived without full marching order and weapon, (RCAF & RCN), they were issued it.

9. We did not detain Female SD's.

10.Escorts immediately turned SD's over to the Admitting or Rotuda Staff. (Medical certification) was
    usually done by SD's unit M.O. if not by daily visiting RCAMC MO.

11.If a Gate or Compound was in evidence at the entrance (1 FDB's was a 100 ft.) The SD at
    the High Port & full Marching Order was Double Quick Timed from the gate to the Entrance.
    The Escort stood at attention at the Gate till the SD got it right.

12.Occupational Therapy, Kit, Drill, Obsticle Course, Cell, Grounds and Building Maint. Cleaning Materials,
    Sandstone (used to strip paint, galvenize coatings and Wood surfaces) , Red Floor Polish, Bootblack
    Blanko and Brasso.

13.The meals were quite good and served in two mess tins and a cup, (which were part of your kit
    lay out.

14.Every thing was done at the Doubletime except marching back to your cell with your meal.

15. WO's &NCO's were stripped of rank also if DB time was going to be part of sentance.

I've listed about all of the routine and good things. One thing for sure, you could always tell someone
that had just reurned from a stay at a DB, he had the best Kit, Boots and Brass on Parade.

Yes its true the return rate was very small and the majority went on up the ranks.



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Sounds like the way it should be done....
 
Having completed the paperwork to send mbrs to the DB (three in the past two months) I can tell you that even a charge of AWOL can get you there. 

By the way the movie was called "In through the out door" and featured a ghost in battle dress, I've got a copy on VHS somewhere....
 
The is interesting cause from what I've read about Fort Leavensworth, is that it is very different. Such as Fort Leavenworth being for long sentences and the fact that inmates are treated as the enemy (as if they were POWs) rather then former soldiers in the U.S. Military. In other words they don't do drill and acnowledge rank.
 
But really, what are they going to do if you refuse to cooperate? I am sure that anyone sent their for a moderate amount of time will not be pursuing a long/prestigious career in the Forces. What about releasing while being sent/in DB?

Well, we had a young Trooper in my Unit who got sent there not once, but TWICE, and within a 4 month span to boot.  He came back the first time as a completely changed individual (much more sombre) but found himself being charged quickly after his return for another offence & was sent back to CFSDB - After his second return from there, he said he went in and flat out refused to play the game again, they just had him ride out his sentence in solitary confinement.
 
The basic premise of having a service detention barracks is to rehabilitate a solder/sailor/airperson, who has conducted himself improperly, back into a proper serviceman/woman.  Personnel sentenced to "prison" are not usually worth rehabilitating from a CF perspective a they are no longer worthy of wearing the uniform.  I've been through the old DB and just recently have had the opportunity to check out the new facility in Edmonton.  You don't want to wind up there and experience the program.  Well done to the staff who run it in a very professional manner. 
 
Detention Barracks Routine

05:30 Wake Up
06:00  Three S's, cell clean up, fold sheets and blankets just so
07:30  Breakfast, line up in front of cell, no conversation during meals
08:30  Cell Inspection, polished boots, polished brass and webbing, floor clean
09:00  Military Education on the Drill Square
11:30  Return to cell change out of uniform to DB coveralls
12:00  Lunch
12:30    Clean cell
13:00    Military Education on Drill Square
15:30    Change out of uniform into DB coveralls, cell clean up
16:30    Individual contemplation of sins
17:00    Dinner
17:30    Detention Barracks duties such as mopping, waxing areas of the detention 
            barracks
19:00    Inspection of assigned duties and return to cells, OOD arrives for inspection
20:00    Lights out 

First floor all ranks in individual cells reguardless of rank, all are "short term" visitors. Second floor is a dorm set up for those more permanent visitors. Points have to be earned to get moved up there. When there you may be eligble for "out side" employment- mowing the grass, washing vechicles etc. Time off sentance can be earned usually one wek for thirty days but time can also be added on. Solitare in cell 23 hours, bread and water, vitimens.
 
Personnel sentenced to "prison" are not usually worth rehabilitating from a CF perspective a they are no longer worthy of wearing the uniform

Federal prison is the very last place we should ever send anybody if we expect to get them back as a useful individual. I would prefer to see the term length at Edmonton increased to allow us to take care of our own and keep them out of the jungle that is our Fed system. We are far closer to a successful reformatory model than that system will ever be.

Cheers.
 
A tear just fell onto my keyboard when I read the routine......I could only wish......
 
My first connection to DB was in my second posting I can remember in my unit they sent in a Herc to pick up all the soldiers going to DB ( so many). The concept of DB left a bad taste in my mouth since they sent away so many guys from my unit who I thought were good soldiers. On reflection years later I realized they should have sent the BC and not the troops. However they all returned and were good soldiers, many promoted to senior ranks today. Guess it was not too bad after all
 
3rd Horseman, my old RSM quoted " every good soldier goes to DB once". when I arrivied to start my vacation STAFF had conniptions; I was in field gear with webbing, ruck and personal weapons, no dress uniform to press and iron, when told to polish my combat boots I advised STAFF that it was against regs. By the end of the week the entire wing was occupied by our unit. Safety in numbers, STAFF spent their time bothering the poor other odds and sods. It was also amusing to see the faces of the boots coming through on a tour who were about to be posted to our unit. And yes your right almost all of us got promoted/ rank back and continued on soldiering. On reflection it kinda makes me wonder if all those who wear a CD have any fun.
 
Coyote43D said:
They built a new, smaller Club Ed. When we did a tour of the old DB on my QL3 they showed us a cell they called the pink room. If you were sent to the pink room you were on bread and water.

And come out feeling like a girl
 
3rd Herd said:
On reflection it kinda makes me wonder if all those who wear a CD have any fun.

Well it all depends on how long it took you to earn that CD. 8)
 
I have heard a few officers say, evey good soldier goes to DB once as well. 

I know guys that have got sent there for awol, charged under section 129---don't ask what they did ::), to fraud among many others!

From what I have heard, it is enough to not make me want to ever go!  But definatly would rather there than civi prison!!!


Elisha
 
Elisha said:
I have heard a few officers say, evey good soldier goes to DB once as well. 

Strange that is a attitude that I have never heard. It would be akin to a Police Officer saying that every person should commit a crime, as it should make them a better Citizen.

However the general conception seems to be that Military Prisons/Detention Barracks are a place to be avoided, thus acting as a deterrent against Offenses and the Good Order of Military Discipline.

With regard to not complying with Orders or Routine. Due to the many changes and softening of attitudes which have occurred down through the years, I find that quite plausible. However, in Pre 1968 Era,that attitude would have lasted 15min. IMO, any person bragging or promoting such actions should be considered a poor candidate for the Forces to start with. Obviously, any person with such open comtempt for authority and discipline, could also display it under dire circumstances.

It is quite correct that we should maintain the control and confinement of our Service personnel for obvious reasons. There should be no buy out from a Sentence and any Discharges should be based on the rehabilitation/or not, of the Service Person. (sitting down on their hands and saying "make me") Would be a sure ticket out and left to the discretion of the Institutes Commandant.
 
FastEddy said:
However the general conception seems to be that Military Prisons/Detention Barracks are a place to be avoided, thus acting as a deterrent against Offenses and the Good Order of Military Discipline.

I've heard it at least once...

Seems to me that it makes sense... if the civvie prisons actually did what they were supposed to do (rehabillitate) effectively, then the theory is what's coming out the exit are better people then what walked in the entrance...

Given the nature of military prison and the nature of the people sent there, rehabilitation is more the likely effective.
 
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