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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Not sure if this has been shared yet, but a solid and highly aggressive piece by Mark Norman. I know a few people on here who will object to his conclusions and suggestions:


Mark Norman, Special to National Post

Published Feb 14, 2025

Standing in the schoolyard and taking a beating from the local bully might seem stoic, but it also might be foolish. Further, if the other kids watching don’t have the courage to intervene, they are complicit in the beating. As I reflect on what is happening at the moment I am reminded of the cautionary work of William Golding, The Lord of the Flies.

When the leader of our closest neighbour, ally and trading partner says that he can destroy us with the stroke of a pen — and repeats his willingness to do so — it is more than just an expression of perceived superiority or hyperbole, it’s a real threat. To dismiss it as anything less would be irresponsible and naive. The question we must ask ourselves is whether we are going to act as a serious nation or not.

Although recent comments about the potential futures of Ukraine and Gaza appear to be awakening the capitals of our other allies, we continue to endure a “special” focus and abuse from Washington. Ironically, this might enable us to convince the other kids in the schoolyard that the bully is not as invincible as he thinks. There is truth to the maxim that there is strength in numbers. What has yet to fully materialize however is the requisite catalyst to rally those “like-minded nations” into a coherent and collective response — but we could be close.

The other day, I suggested on X that Canada should consider its rights and protections under the NATO charter. Specifically, under Article 4, we can — and perhaps should — formally approach our allies for support (diplomatic or otherwise) as we are threatened by the United States. Many responded to my comments suggesting that we are getting what we deserve due in part to decades of neglect of our defence and security; that NATO is useless and the gesture would be meaningless; the U.S. would ignore our efforts or withdraw from the alliance; that this is all just an overreaction to bluster; and, other similarly dismissive comments.

Perhaps those critics might be right, but here’s the real issue: we either believe in, and live by, the principles of a rules-based system and the power of alliances and multilateralism; or, we slip into the behavioural model of Golding’s book where Jack runs amuck and the entire island is mired in chaos, conflict and savagery.

I am of the view that Canada’s ongoing transactional approach to countering the overt and repeated threats to our economy, territory and sovereignty is flawed. Trying to placate the ambiguous and chaotic demands of Jack, or responding tit for tat to arbitrary and punitive tariffs is not a winning strategy.

This crisis is not exclusively the creation of Jack himself. He is as much a character of his own fantasy as he is the product of a disturbing systemic shift. Focusing our disdain toward the “talking head” of a deeper problem distracts us from the importance of what is happening. Jack and his tribesmen are convinced of a series of perceived injustices and economic disparities levied against the United States since the end of the Second World War, and by extension they blame much of the world — including Canada — for many of their current woes. As a remedy they intend to reset the entire global system to their advantage, and they don’t care about the consequences. Recent comments to NATO’s leadership by one of Jack’s henchmen that U.S. security interests lie outside of Europe are a case in point. In this emerging reality, are we as Canadians any different than Ukraine is to Russia or Taiwan to China? We need not like, or even agree with this possibility, but we had best acknowledge and understand it.

We are at a serious inflection point in our history as a country. As our predecessors emerged from the control of our former colonial masters, we are once again pawns in a high-stakes power struggle. We must now decide if we are prepared to abandon the relative comfort and convenience of our decades-long dependence on the U.S. We don’t have the luxury of physical separation. We can, however, accept that the marriage is over and focus on “moving on,” even if that means continuing to live next door to each other.

To make matters worse, our current political circumstances and the resultant “power” vacuum are extremely unhelpful, and Jack and his minions are exploiting this vulnerability with brutal effect. Lacking the requisite confidence, we risk potentially self-destructive behaviour — not unlike an abused partner believing that the relationship can be salvaged if they only try harder.

In this growing fog of rhetoric and posturing it is difficult to decipher the fine line between threat and attack. Faced with such ambiguity, we can either continue to wait and respond incrementally or we can act decisively. I submit we are under attack and more significantly, so too is the global system upon which our security and prosperity are based. In response we need to rapidly deploy all available instruments of national power with maximal effect. This may need to include otherwise previously unthinkable actions such as shutting off our oil and gas, electrical power and critical supplies, as well as the abandonment of historic diplomatic and military relationships and commitments. We must also convince our other allies — those kids on the sidelines of the schoolyard — that they too have a responsibility to act as they are at risk as much as we are.

This is no longer just about Canada and our national pride, this is about stopping Jack before he destroys the whole island.

VAdm Mark Norman is a former vice chief of the defence staff and Commander Royal Canadian Navy.
 
Not sure if this has been shared yet, but a solid and highly aggressive piece by Mark Norman. I know a few people on here who will object to his conclusions and suggestions:

I think he has a strong point; Trump is a bully and will likely be forced to back down if everyone else pushes back. Despite how he's being treated by his ass kissing sycophants in Senate and Congress, he's not a king, and they will really start to hear shrieks of discontent from all their donors that will force them to grow a pair.
 
Perhaps of Canada hadn’t spread its legs so wide for China, President Trump wouldn’t think you’d be so open to taking it…

Now I think the US approach is stupid and hurtful to both nations, but I’m surprised it took this to make Canada wake up, and frankly the angst should be focused on a number of folks not just DJT.
 
Perhaps of Canada hadn’t spread its legs so wide for China, President Trump wouldn’t think you’d be so open to taking it…
Thank Chretien for that and when Harper pointed it out that this was a bad move he was vilified by the left wing. Turns out he was right.

Like he was about JT. And that drunken ambassador we had...what was his name?
 
Thank Chretien for that and when Harper pointed it out that this was a bad move he was vilified by the left wing. Turns out he was right.

Like he was about JT. And that drunken ambassador we had...what was his name?
The one we lovingly referred to as "Emperor Palpatine" during Op PROVISION in Lebanon? Who I had to escort back to his room after he passed out in the cigar lounge?

That one?
 
The one we lovingly referred to as "Emperor Palpatine" during Op PROVISION in Lebanon? Who I had to escort back to his room after he passed out in the cigar lounge?

That one?
I dunno - probably. Can't recall his name but Palpatine fits.

John.....McCallum?? yeah that one...former Ambassador to China. The one that told us not to pick on China. I have a word for him....
 
Perhaps of Canada hadn’t spread its legs so wide for China, President Trump wouldn’t think you’d be so open to taking it…

Now I think the US approach is stupid and hurtful to both nations, but I’m surprised it took this to make Canada wake up, and frankly the angst should be focused on a number of folks not just DJT.
Except I haven’t heard anyone in the new administration express concerns about Chinese influence in Canada. It’s a real issue that needs serious addressing by our entire political class, but I’ve only heard Secretary Blinkin of the former administration express any concern.
 
The one we lovingly referred to as "Emperor Palpatine" during Op PROVISION in Lebanon? Who I had to escort back to his room after he passed out in the cigar lounge?

That one?

He came up to me in the mess in Camp Julien, drunk and slobbering all over me. He spent 20 minutes talking nonsense before the DSM, his escort, hustled him away and warning me to keep my mouth shut about the incident.
 
He came up to me in the mess in Camp Julien, drunk and slobbering all over me. He spent 20 minutes talking nonsense before the DSM, his escort, hustled him away and warning me to keep my mouth shut about the incident.
He had no idea why we had CAF members on ground (GAC had put out the RFA, and he was Minister) and then became our best friend because "I used to be MND, you know..."

I was grateful to see him leave the AO...
 
I dunno - probably. Can't recall his name but Palpatine fits.

John.....McCallum?? yeah that one...former Ambassador to China. The one that told us not to pick on China. I have a word for him....
Yep. The same one that Freeland told Trudeau “Either he goes or I go”.
 
Perhaps of Canada hadn’t spread its legs so wide for China, President Trump wouldn’t think you’d be so open to taking it…

Now I think the US approach is stupid and hurtful to both nations, but I’m surprised it took this to make Canada wake up, and frankly the angst should be focused on a number of folks not just DJT.

I’m not sure Canada has woken up yet. But here’s Steve Bannon’s take with Brian Lilley. Summary: Trump is not trolling, he’s very serious about it, he is trying to shore up security of the continent. Main adversary is China, Russia is a mainly EU problem.



This follows my thoughts that the US, may be feel it can not fight a two front war any longer mainly on its own.
 
I forget, was the Chris Barber/Freedom convoy investigation RCMP or Ottawa PS?
I actually have no idea who the primary agency was on this.

I'm tempted to suggest OPS for a few reasons, but then I think of the national aspect of things & how many people came to Ottawa from across the country and it leads me to lean towards the RCMP...

I did find this, which has me thinking it was the RCMP - but my official answer is that I honestly don't know.



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I understand and agree with you that ideally someone should come to them with some sort of evidence to support a criminal complaint.

But as we all know, that isn't always possible...

Surely enough evidence has been uncovered by now through Committee, whistleblowers, media leaks, and voluntary admissions/statements from the relevant parties. The missing piece of the puzzle always seems to be the lack of criminal charges that one would think would follow...
 
Surely enough evidence has been uncovered by now through Committee, whistleblowers, media leaks, and voluntary admissions/statements from the relevant parties. The missing piece of the puzzle always seems to be the lack of criminal charges that one would think would follow...
Cool, all they would need to do is convince a justice that those records, statements, media clips, etc. form reasonable grounds that there is sufficient admissible evidence of a criminal offence to issue a warrant or production order.
 
Just look at the absolute hell the PM has unleashed upon Chris Barber from the Freedom Convoy.

He's had an incredibly expensive legal battle to endure which I'm sure at this point has financially crippled him, as Trudeau instructed federal prosecutors to appeal the verdict to drag this out even longer, after what was already the longest mischief trial of all time...

As of Friday, federal prosecutors were asking for a 10 year prison sentence...for mischief!! Aggravating factors being included, that's utterly insane. (Especially considering we don't even hand prison sentences to repeat violent offenders who violently reoffend while on bail or probation...)

But it goes to show you how far Trudeau will go to punish anybody who dares cross him.

(All done with the express cooperation of the Justice Minister, and essentially no independent input from an independent Attorney General)

The need complaints or allegations of potential criminal activity. Somebody needs to bring them something that gives them grounds to believe that criminal offence has taken place. If you tell the cops you think your neighbour is a drug dealer, they need more than just your allegations to get warrant.

I forget, was the Chris Barber/Freedom convoy investigation RCMP or Ottawa PS?

I actually have no idea who the primary agency was on this.

I'm tempted to suggest OPS for a few reasons, but then I think of the national aspect of things & how many people came to Ottawa from across the country and it leads me to lean towards the RCMP...

I did find this, which has me thinking it was the RCMP - but my official answer is that I honestly don't know.



...


I understand and agree with you that ideally someone should come to them with some sort of evidence to support a criminal complaint.

But as we all know, that isn't always possible...

Surely enough evidence has been uncovered by now through Committee, whistleblowers, media leaks, and voluntary admissions/statements from the relevant parties. The missing piece of the puzzle always seems to be the lack of criminal charges that one would think would follow...

Cool, all they would need to do is convince a justice that those records, statements, media clips, etc. form reasonable grounds that there is sufficient admissible evidence of a criminal offence to issue a warrant or production order.

To the best of my knowledge, all criminal investigations and charges laid for the Ottawa convoy were Ottawa Police Service files. Many other police services provided bodies and intelligence support, but all arrestees were filtered back to OPS and processed through their cellblock. Similarly, again to the best of my knowledge, all Ottawa convoy prosecutions have been prosecuted by crown counsel from the Ontario Ministry of the Attirney General. I confirmed this includes the Lich and Barber trial. I’m not aware of, and don’t believe there has been any involvement by federal crown prosecutors from the Public Prosecution Service of Canada.

Barber and Lich are still awaiting a verdict, so I’m not sure where any talk of some sort of appeal there is coming from. Likewise, crown has not yet been in a position to make an argument on sentencing. Pat King will be sentenced tomorrow, that might be a source of confusion. That’s also prosecuted by provincial crown though.

Anyway, hope that clears a bit up re: the criminal proceedings related to the Ottawa convoy.
 
To the best of my knowledge, all criminal investigations and charges laid for the Ottawa convoy were Ottawa Police Service files. Many other police services provided bodies and intelligence support, but all arrestees were filtered back to OPS and processed through their cellblock. Similarly, again to the best of my knowledge, all Ottawa convoy prosecutions have been prosecuted by crown counsel from the Ontario Ministry of the Attirney General. I confirmed this includes the Lich and Barber trial. I’m not aware of, and don’t believe there has been any involvement by federal crown prosecutors from the Public Prosecution Service of Canada.

Barber and Lich are still awaiting a verdict, so I’m not sure where any talk of some sort of appeal there is coming from. Likewise, crown has not yet been in a position to make an argument on sentencing. Pat King will be sentenced tomorrow, that might be a source of confusion. That’s also prosecuted by provincial crown though.

Anyway, hope that clears a bit up re: the criminal proceedings related to the Ottawa convoy.
Thank You for clearing that up - you actually cleared up some important distinctions that I was unaware of. (I think most Canadians are mistaken about some of those details also)

Pat King's sentencing is what had some of my wires crossed.

Given the PM's role in the whole ordeal + the involvement of the federal government in the whole thing, I think I must've assumed it would be federal prosecutors handling the file.

And given the target of the protests was the federal government & a lot of the activities were staged near the parliament buildings, I'm actually surprised it isnt the feds. Learn something new every day...
 
Cool, all they would need to do is convince a justice that those records, statements, media clips, etc. form reasonable grounds that there is sufficient admissible evidence of a criminal offence to issue a warrant or production order.
And that circles me right back to asking the same question as before... Why hasn't that happened yet?
 
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