CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[shiska]

This is no different that the red white and blue-land bill from down south we were all laughing at. Performative and insubstantial but indicative of political climate..

 

[Brad Sallows]

As a rough planning area...sure.

The point is to have corridors pre-approved (environmental, political, etc) for all the purposes cited and maybe a few we haven't thought of, in order to eliminate many of the usual long litigation/negotiation processes that delay project completion. For that, it would be prudent to have enough right-of-way real estate to provide space for contingencies we haven't foreseen. None of it needs to have access roads and clear-cuts until a project requires those things. There ought to be a handful of east-west options, and five or six times as many running approximately orthogonally - from northern regions down to the main Canada-US border.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I get the feeling that this crew won’t care what the constitution or the courts say.

“How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?”

The prior administration goaded opponents into seeking - and obtaining - an unprecedented number of injunctions, including many nation-wide ones, and respected the courts.

We can go on past behaviour, or we can make up sh!t to worry about.

 

[Czech_pivo]

So Barrick Gold is now musing about re-domiciling in the US. They won't say it, but directly related to President Chamberlain's tariff threats, our current business/economic uncertainty/tax regime, etc, etc.

Very, very few globally recognized Canadian businesses left folks.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That’s a private member’s bill from a member of the NDP who has already announced he won’t run again. It’s utterly meaningless and will likely not advance pst first reading, as is often the case with private members’ bills. Such bills are often nothing more than performative, and all parties have had their share of silliness hit Hansard that way.

Still QV is right, this adds to the problem and gets picked up on social media. Social Licence is a big deal in regards to large projects and adds significant costs and time barriers to them. Stuff like this gets added to the scale when a company is weighing the pro's and con's of investing billions into a project. An offshore company will not see the difference between a has been NDP MP and having to deal with a Provincial NDP government, they will get lumped together.

 

[Good2Golf]

That’s a private member’s bill from a member of the NDP who has already announced he won’t run again. It’s utterly meaningless and will likely not advance pst first reading, as is often the case with private members’ bills. Such bills are often nothing more than performative, and all parties have had their share of silliness hit Hansard that way.

No different than the grief that the CPC got for private member’s Bill C-311 (inclusion of pregnancy as aggravating factor in sentencing violence/assault convictions) and that was twistedly portrayed by many as anti-abortion legislation, to support the ‘Conservatives have voted to take away women’s right to have an abortion’ narrative.

Private Member’s Bill or not, the NDP as a party supports the premise. Goose and gander should get equal treatment, because it’s 10 years after 2015!

 

[Remius]

No different than the grief that the CPC got for private member’s Bill C-311 (inclusion of pregnancy as aggravating factor in sentencing violence/assault convictions) and that was twistedly portrayed by many as anti-abortion legislation, to support the ‘Conservatives have voted to take away women’s right to have an abortion’ narrative.

Private Member’s Bill or not, the NDP as a party supports the premise. Goose and gander should get equal treatment, because it’s 10 years after 2015!

Agreed. So we can settle on both those things then for what they are.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The House still has to bet back to business before it can be looked at.
Given the amount of time the NDP gets, Singh has to decide whether it's important enough to drop his own demands and support it's reading.
It has to get placed on the docket to be read and then debated.
Charlie Angus has lost tons of support in Northern Ontario because of his support for the libs gun laws. He knows he's going to get his ass handed to him and is pulling pin before the humiliation becomes real and tarnishes his legacy.
This is Charlie flipping the table over and making a rukus on his way out the door.
Watching Charlie since his decision not to run, I'm sure he banged his head and is operating with a concussion. He's become a loose cannon on deck.
And not worth the publicity.

 

[RangerRay]

The prior administration goaded opponents into seeking - and obtaining - an unprecedented number of injunctions, including many nation-wide ones, and respected the courts.

We can go on past behaviour, or we can make up sh!t to worry about.

That’s like saying “We robbed the bank and burned it down because the other side skimmed some cash from the cash register”.

 

[lenaitch]

I find it almost amusing when somebody comes up with an idea to make money, then wants somebody else's money, most often public money, to flesh it out.

Their website talk about "the route", but proposes no route. Hopefully it's better than the one in the CBC article that goes straight across Lake Winnipeg.

Port Nelson was rejected once for, among other things, significant silting and, according to one hydrologist in that article, is worse now. The Port of Churchill already has a deep water harbourand its railway struggles to become profitable and has received millions in public money to work towards that. I'm not sure why we would create competition for it.

The people who will earn the most from this will be the consultants.

 

[Brad Sallows]

That’s like saying “We robbed the bank and burned it down because the other side skimmed some cash from the cash register”.

I referred to the prior Trump administration as a guide to the behaviour to expect from this one. Of course, this time around everyone involved knows more about the system and its processes.

If the administration starts defying court orders - and impossible/impractical demands to have something take effect immediately don't count - critics should have no difficulty finding instances to talk about. If the administration's response is simply its usual one - to start whatever amounts to an appeal, or to redraft whatever they are seeking - there's no "lawless" story.

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://macleans.ca/economy/why-canadas-oil-sands-arent-coming-back/

Interesting read.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

https://macleans.ca/economy/why-canadas-oil-sands-arent-coming-back/

Interesting read.

I've heard the old "Oil is Dead" drum beaten so many times now...

Meanwhile, there are those who continue to laugh all the way to the bank:





5 year growth of 208% ain't nothing to snuff your nose at.

Oil is literally in everything we need for modern society to function. It isn't going anywhere.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Ouch...

Although, if you talk to folks who are in the commodity markets, the whole world would like some of our lumber, but it will take awhile to rejig the supply chains...

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%​

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

www.timescolonist.com

 

[suffolkowner]

Ouch...

Although, if you talk to folks who are in the commodity markets, the whole world would like some of our lumber, but it will take awhile to rejig the supply chains...

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%​

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

www.timescolonist.com

whats the deal there? Too hard to load it to go across the ocean for some reason? I remember when Grants went under in Ontario due to the US crunch and thought you think someone else could use the wood somewhere?

 

[brihard]

whats the deal there? Too hard to load it to go across the ocean for some reason? I remember when Grants went under in Ontario due to the US crunch and thought you think someone else could use the wood somewhere?

Probably shipping capacity and the economics of shipping it overseas to be milled? But I’m far from an expert.

 

[suffolkowner]

Probably shipping capacity and the economics of shipping it overseas to be milled? But I’m far from an expert.

im thinking we would do the processing here. OSB/Plywood/dimensional into a shipping container and off you go

Guy down the road ordered his house framing from one of the Baltics it all came in a shipping container only thing missing was the plywood for the roof even though he got the steel which was strange. Roof had to be strapped to accommodate our dimensions of plywood though. So maybe the wood needs to be made to different dimensions. That shouldnt be that hard with the new outfits. I was on one new/replacement site up in Burns Lake BC theyre pretty spiffy

 

[daftandbarmy]

whats the deal there? Too hard to load it to go across the ocean for some reason? I remember when Grants went under in Ontario due to the US crunch and thought you think someone else could use the wood somewhere?

Cost. Money is always the bottom line.

It's cheaper to ship to the US, in general...

 

[Kirkhill]

This is a good point.

So why hasn’t it been heard as a point clearly stated by the US/Trump? Giving Canada some room to address the interference/incursion of foreign influence and organized crime? It would seem that many of the significant issues (Chinese-supported criminality IN Canada, money laundering, significant foreign real estate investment impacting housing affordability) are reaching levels that can’t be ignored…so when or will the US move on from an immigration/fentanyl problem to the other issues? I honestly don’t know at this point. If the issue truly is 43 lbs of fentanyl and a few thousand illegal immigrants from CAN>US (proportionately less than US>CAN), then one would question the validity and scale of the IS action towards Canada.

Back in the 19th century, when the Vatican was holding off the liberal hordes with the help of French and Irish volunteers, the Popes were busy writing encyclicals castigating liberals all over the place for their many errors (published in summary in 1864 as the Syllabus of Errors). The one country that the Vatican never got round to criticizing was the originator of Liberalism. The government of the country was literally held by the Liberal Party.

Of course, the UK was the most powerful force on the planet at the time.

Canada was never exposed to that battle between the Crown and the Vatican.

 

[Kirkhill]

I find it almost amusing when somebody comes up with an idea to make money, then wants somebody else's money, most often public money, to flesh it out.

Their website talk about "the route", but proposes no route. Hopefully it's better than the one in the CBC article that goes straight across Lake Winnipeg.

Port Nelson was rejected once for, among other things, significant silting and, according to one hydrologist in that article, is worse now. The Port of Churchill already has a deep water harbourand its railway struggles to become profitable and has received millions in public money to work towards that. I'm not sure why we would create competition for it.

The people who will earn the most from this will be the consultants.

Perhaps, but both the Japanese and the Germans showed up with their wallets open and our hero decided there was still no business case.

Trump appears to differ.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-says-japan-will-soon-begin-importing-new-shipments-us-lng-2025-02-07/

And this despite the proliferation of LNG terminals already.



A fair number of those terminals, and oil terminals, are off-shore terminals

Offshore LNG terminals are typically located several kilometers away from the shore, with distances ranging from a few hundred meters to several miles depending on the specific site and regulations, but generally staying within a range of between 2 and 10 kilometers from the coastline.

Louisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP)

wwwsp.dotd.la.gov

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port consists of platform in 115ft of water with 3 mooring buoys 8000 ft off of the platform. The platform (the marine terminal) pumps the oil from the ships 20 miles to an onshore terminal, created out of the Bayou swamps, which transfers the off-loaded oil to a storage facility 25 miles inland at Clovelly.

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And as to silting, virtually every port of which I am aware is in an estuary and is attached to a river. They all have dredging operations as part of their maintenance programme. That includes Europe's primary port of Rotterdam and all the principal British ports (Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Southampton, Dover, London and Lowestoft).

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Do I know there is money to be made? No.

But an awful lot of other people seem to be intrigued and the only real obstacle I have discerned is our political class issuing sanctions on the basis of revelations.