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Harper has a Masters in Economics and Carney has a PhD as well as working as an economist. Its a strange comparison to make
CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)
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So, the thinnest of hairs of movement on (at least some kind of) pipelines?
Ottawa, provinces should discuss possibility of west-east oil pipeline: Wilkinson
MONTREAL - Federal Energy Minister Jonathan Wilkinson says Ottawa and the provinces should discuss the possibility of an oil pipeline to Eastern Canada to improve energy security and diversify trade.www.thecanadianpressnews.ca
A tale of two pipelines: Quebec reconsiders LNG, but not oil
Just a day after categorically rejecting the Energy East oil pipeline, Quebec is now rethinking its stance on a liquefied natural gas (LNG) pipeline from Western Canada thanks to economic uncertainty and trade tensions with the US.www.westernstandard.news
Some additional thoughts on pipelines and getting indigenous buy in should the government change.
East bound.
NeeStaNan (all of us) - Nee Sta Nan (all of us)
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This would be in addition to the Churchill route.
Arctic Gateway Group
www.arcticgateway.com
Western Energy Corridor — Home Page
www.westernenergycorridor.ca
Alberta reaches memorandum of understanding with Prairie provinces on trade corridors
The MOU will foster the development of economic corridors across Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
calgaryherald.com
Premier Kinew and Minister Vandal announce support for the Arctic Gateway Group in northern Manitoba
PrairiesCan and Provincial funding supports the ongoing maintenance and operation of the Hudson Bay Railway.
Money is being invested in reaching Hudson's Bay with the support of local and indigenous governments.
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West bound
Just a reminder that there was indigenous support on getting pipelines to Prince Rupert AND floating tankers in Prince Rupert harbour.
Eagle Spirit Pipeline
Eagle Spirit Pipeline was a proposed oil pipeline in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada.[1] There have been no development updates since May 2019 and the project is presumed to be cancelled.[2][3]
www.gem.wiki
Eagle Spirit pipeline plan obtains 'licence' as B.C. First Nations chiefs sign on to project
Cattaneo: The pipeline has overcome the most significant stumbling block to such projects so far by persuading aboriginals they have more to gain than to lose
financialpost.com
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All that is necessary is for Guilbeault to get out of the way.
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Some additional thoughts on pipelines and getting indigenous buy in should the government change.
East bound.
NeeStaNan (all of us) - Nee Sta Nan (all of us)
This would be in addition to the Churchill route.
Arctic Gateway Group
Western Energy Corridor — Home Page
Alberta reaches memorandum of understanding with Prairie provinces on trade corridors
The MOU will foster the development of economic corridors across Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.Premier Kinew and Minister Vandal announce support for the Arctic Gateway Group in northern Manitoba
PrairiesCan and Provincial funding supports the ongoing maintenance and operation of the Hudson Bay Railway.www.canada.ca
Money is being invested in reaching Hudson's Bay with the support of local and indigenous governments.
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West bound
Just a reminder that there was indigenous support on getting pipelines to Prince Rupert AND floating tankers in Prince Rupert harbour.
Eagle Spirit Pipeline
Eagle Spirit Pipeline was a proposed oil pipeline in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada.[1] There have been no development updates since May 2019 and the project is presumed to be cancelled.[2][3]Eagle Spirit pipeline plan obtains 'licence' as B.C. First Nations chiefs sign on to project
Cattaneo: The pipeline has overcome the most significant stumbling block to such projects so far by persuading aboriginals they have more to gain than to lose
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All that is necessary is for Guilbeault to get out of the way.
While we're slashing bush, spanning water and laying rail, would it be feasible and financially profitable to lay a pipeline next to it at the same time? One corridor all construction done at the same time, with co-operation of the rail and pipeline sharing costs. Efficient, economical and profitable for all.
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My sense is that is exactly what the "corridor" proponents are suggesting. Rail, road, power and pipelines in one slash.
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It's also less lands involved (important to some First Nations), better overall access (3 projects = better road than 3 temporary access points), and allows for the response god forbid anything goes wrong. When all the routes go different directions its much tougher to respond to a break/derailment etc.
Now sites like staging areas are built once (not three times) and you can also plan for things like key crossings over the infrastructure in advance reducing costs. Major pipelines like TransMountain or railways are not infrastructure you just randomly drive heavy equipment over in an emergency.
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So a single railway/highway/pipeline/power line/fibre optic cable corridor all built at once? Love it!
From a security perspective it would be able to knock it all out at once though…
But it is a good idea
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I could easily picture a rough road to allow route clearance. Start building a railway to allow for large scale shipments and add in the spurs/bypasses to create the laydown yards/staging areas/work camps needed.
As the rail moves forward start building the road beside it. Place power lines on one side (downwind) and pipeline on the other. Fiber optic can be run under power lines/ditches easy.
You can adjust the order slightly but it has to be easier than other projects flying in every power pole or trucking 1,000's of km of product to create fill/end dumps. And if you're working off a port you might be able to start from both sides at once speeding things up as well.
I don't really know northern Manitoba but I have to think a permanent all season road in close proximity is a huge economic uplift for any local community. No longer trapped by seasonal access things like medical appointments - even if it's Winnipeg - are doable without involving charter flights. Cost of buying a truck load of groceries vs. air freight at the northern store?
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And Quebec might even be happy for a change given the material and manpower they could get from a project this size.
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It’s basically an updated and expanded vision of the CPC’s policy of developing a National Energy Corridor from 2019.
Imagine if we had started such a project 6 years ago, with a sense of purpose and urgency.
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We could cut costs and time by building it in sections all at the same time and then just link them. Thousands of jobs. Work for lots of engineering firms, surveyors, constructors, material suppliers, lumber, etc.
We could be using vast amounts of our own metals, chemicals and other resources. Imagine the O&G that would be used. New industry to supply the vehicles and equipment. No doubt we'll have a healthy R&D initiatives spinoff. Airlines moving workers, similar to oil patch workers. There are so many more things that can come out of a project like this besides the initial intent.
Think of Roosevelt's Works Progress Administration and the New Deal.
Ahh, the dreams.
We could be using vast amounts of our own metals, chemicals and other resources. Imagine the O&G that would be used. New industry to supply the vehicles and equipment. No doubt we'll have a healthy R&D initiatives spinoff. Airlines moving workers, similar to oil patch workers. There are so many more things that can come out of a project like this besides the initial intent.
Think of Roosevelt's Works Progress Administration and the New Deal.
Ahh, the dreams.
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Who pays? Without significant regulatory reform, we won't get capital investment back. Which, again, goes against the LPC/NDP grain.
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Who cares what the red and orange liberals think.
How about we put a $1 surcharge (or whatever) on everything we export.
I think the returns, once it's up and running, will put a big hole in the debt created.
There0 user fees. No more foreign oil at world prices, LNG to Europe, potash, aluminum, nickel and titanium to world defence contractors.
The whole idea of the corridor is to make our currently unattainable products available to the world.
You know who I can see it hurting? The Laurentien Elites who have stymied our production, sale and trade to expand their own foreign oil stock and shares as well as their other off shore investments on the backs of Canadians.
How about we put a $1 surcharge (or whatever) on everything we export.
I think the returns, once it's up and running, will put a big hole in the debt created.
There0 user fees. No more foreign oil at world prices, LNG to Europe, potash, aluminum, nickel and titanium to world defence contractors.
The whole idea of the corridor is to make our currently unattainable products available to the world.
You know who I can see it hurting? The Laurentien Elites who have stymied our production, sale and trade to expand their own foreign oil stock and shares as well as their other off shore investments on the backs of Canadians.
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So being quite intimate with the joys of living in oil and gas boom towns....and crashes...I would also caution against "rushed" work.
It's great to be able to mobilize 2-5,000 men to work on a job...but if it's only going to 9 months or seasonal work it's tough to build any sort of community out of it. Instead now you have a wave of folks overloading local resources and both short and long term social issues.
When I look on Google maps it appears there is road from Thompson to Sundance/ Fox Lake Cree Nation on the north side of the Nelson River...just upstream of Port Nelson itself. It's also where the railway seems to split off to connect a bunch of communities? stops? reserves? towards the north and Churchill and to the south towards The Pas. So there's actually more there than I had figured....quality of infrastructure to be determined.
Now I've also heard...and I don't work railways to be certain...that the old Churchill line was badly built resulting in limited weight limits and car sizes. So it's not so much as fix the line up as rebuild whole segments. Not honestly sure which would be cheaper...just know it's a high price tag. But building a pipeline(s)? beside the road should be a relatively easy task and there may be the opportunity to create several trained crews, working out of the local communities towards each direction...over a series of smaller project segments to reduce the boom impacts.
Looking at the imagery though I'm also thinking what a crappy job it would be and it better be a damn good paycheck.
There's also the James Bay Road that goes north to Radisson, Quebec (east of Fort George on the east side of the bay ) that at least has some preliminary access. No idea what the bay or shipping options look like but actually impressed at how many roads are in northern Quebec.
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Hey, I'm the Idea guy! Not the Plan or Execute guy! 
For lots of the length, there probably won't be local resources. What about ATCO camps? Same rules as the oil patch. Booze, drugs, gambling. Cede the camps to CP Rail and let their cops patrol them?
For lots of the length, there probably won't be local resources. What about ATCO camps? Same rules as the oil patch. Booze, drugs, gambling. Cede the camps to CP Rail and let their cops patrol them?
Alberta will separate and declare war on Canada. They’ve been very clear on their position on export taxes.
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That's their current position with their landlocked, we can only sell to the US for peanuts, products.
The whole thing is basically designed to expand Alberta's profits and exports. Make their O&G readily available to both (three?) coasts and allowing them to compete on the world market.
If they balk at this reasoning, it sounds a little short sighted on their part, to me.
I'm sure we could work something out.
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As opposed to Canada declaring economic war on Alberta?
Trudeau 1 wanted to lock our oil and gas into the Canadian market to subsidize the East when the international market was offering the prospect of significant revenues. As is regularly pointed out fossil fuels are not renewable so it is best to sell when the market is high.
Trudeau 2 has locked our oil and gas out of the international market.
In both cases any revenues entailed to Alberta were effectively treated as windfall revenues that Alberta was required to share with the rest of Canada.
What is Alberta's share of Hydro revenues from BC, Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec? I would add in Newfoundland but they have a raw enough deal as it stands.
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There is a reasonable argument to be had for equitable sharing but we always seem to end up talking past each other.
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We've been here before.
All Very nice and all. Back to the question posed by FB.
Will Alberta accept export taxes yes or no? That was what FB proposed. If the answer is yes then it can work if the answer in no then it would be a min starter no? I’m leaning that they will go with no.
