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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Granted there is politicking and grandstanding going on, but I do not believe Canada will get away with a shell game of sorts. This country has an opportunity to fix several lines of effort, and benefit doing it. Slightly different from status quo won’t do.
 
who says we are going to do it lol?

Theres what 30000 RCMP and 17000 CBSA? How many of those can we say are "border"?
There's nowhere near 17,000 front line Border Services Officers. Cut that in half, then take away all the criminal investigators, inland enforcement officers, hearing officers, border operations and warrant response and immigration holding centres staff and instructors.

The RCMP union claims 20,000 uniformed members.
 
Partly disagreed. We didn’t actually concede much at all.

We threatened equal reciprocal counter tariffs. We’ve pledged “10,000 front line border personnel”- not new personnel, just personnel, CBSA has 17,000 employees. Not sure how many RCMP IBET employ, but RCMP and provincial/municipal police are already augmenting border work in their respective jurisdictions. 10,000 will likely not be a hard figure to creatively achieve for the necessary amount of time until this simmers down. Many police will probably be able to be truthfully double-counted as working Fentanyl in some capacity and also being part of border security.

A ‘Fentanyl czar’ is meaningless; probably some RCMP Org Crime Superintendent will get his or her bump to Chief Superintendent and 90% of their job will already exist. Or someone in Public Safety will get a new ADM spot while another closely related one goes quietly unfilled. We already committed $1.3 billion, are already procuring new kit… An intelligence priorities declaration is simply that; some criminal and security intelligence focus will shift but that was happening already, and the December border announcement already threw CSE in the game. Another $200 mil is not a huge spend.

A ‘strike force’ for money laundering and countering Fentanyl… Ok, sounds like joint force operations. So RCMP, FINTRAC, and CBSA will share some projects with FBI, FINCEN, and HSI. Nothing really new there, if they want to build some kind of FentaNORAD, they can go nuts. It won’t add much capability.

Listing cartels as terrorist entities won’t really do anything new, save for potentially shift which parts of the RCMP bureaucracy oversee investigations. The stuff they’re doing is criminal anyway, and adding the ability to tack a few section 83 offences likely won’t add anything. Prosecutors will probably eschew the added complications of terrorism offences. The risk of charges failing on the ‘ideology’ prong of 83.01 is high, so why complicate things? It may not out much additional burden on RCMP national security as I first speculated if Public Prosecution Service of Canada don’t see a need to go the terrorism route.

This isn’t a full nothingburger, but it ain’t a big beef patty now that I’ve had time to reflect. Trump wanted to be theatrical, we’ve given him theatre. We have made relatively modest additional commitments, many of them sort of a shell game, to provide him with an off-ramp from what was going to be some significant self-inflicted economic damage. We also kept the concessions entirely within the scope of the demands relevant to the executive order and not any of the new bullshit he was throwing at the wall. Not to say he won’t be back with that in a few months, but we have a heads up now of the strategic and economic risks we need to work to mitigate.
This is the goal for Canada: getting DJT to shamble off to his next policy misadventure without damage to/expenditure by Canada. Some people here seem to be starting from the position that we, Canada, should care about whatever nonsense Trump is on about. None of Trump's wibbling is Canada's problem: his attacks on Canada are Canada's problem. Every US citizen could be receiving a pound of fentanyl a day through Canada: not, on its own, a Canadian taxpayer problem. Someone else mentioned blowing unicorn dust at, on, or up him: yes! Do that! Slip, slide, bit of smoke, a few mirrors, details per Brihard above, and he goes away? Good.

Don't mistake the potential subject overlap with things Canada should be spending money on, especially those that are near and dear to this site's members, with there being any validity to whatever comes out of Trump's face or over his squashed-mosquito signature. For example, if Canada needs to spend on border security, it's likely the bits that don't touch the USA that need it: the north and the big ports. Yes, if his noise gets some spending on the CAF rolling, excellent, should have happened anyways, but, as a starting principle, ideally the national we figure out ways to blow him off and then carry on doing whatever we want.
 
This is the goal for Canada: getting DJT to shamble off to his next policy misadventure without damage to/expenditure by Canada. Some people here seem to be starting from the position that we, Canada, should care about whatever nonsense Trump is on about. None of Trump's wibbling is Canada's problem: his attacks on Canada are Canada's problem. Every US citizen could be receiving a pound of fentanyl a day through Canada: not, on its own, a Canadian taxpayer problem. Someone else mentioned blowing unicorn dust at, on, or up him: yes! Do that! Slip, slide, bit of smoke, a few mirrors, details per Brihard above, and he goes away? Good.

Don't mistake the potential subject overlap with things Canada should be spending money on, especially those that are near and dear to this site's members, with there being any validity to whatever comes out of Trump's face or over his squashed-mosquito signature. For example, if Canada needs to spend on border security, it's likely the bits that don't touch the USA that need it: the north and the big ports. Yes, if his noise gets some spending on the CAF rolling, excellent, should have happened anyways, but, as a starting principle, ideally the national we figure out ways to blow him off and then carry on doing whatever we want.
What Trump is doing is setting things up for April when the NA free trade agreement (or whatever crap it’s now called) expires. This is the background music for when the fat lady enters the stage and all eyes are on her.
Our banking executives should realize that they’ve been put on notice - 100%.
Dairy control board, you’re in the cross hairs as well.
Would not be surprised if the airlines and telecoms are as well but he’s not tipped his hand yet on them.
 
What Trump is doing is setting things up for April when the NA free trade agreement (or whatever crap it’s now called) expires. This is the background music for when the fat lady enters the stage and all eyes are on her.
Our banking executives should realize that they’ve been put on notice - 100%.
Dairy control board, you’re in the cross hairs as well.
Would not be surprised if the airlines and telecoms are as well but he’s not tipped his hand yet on them.
Telecoms and airlines, let 'er rip.

Banks, no thanks. Their shitty banks almost went tits up in the 08 recession for a reason. Dairy, not so much. It'd be a great way to bankrupt Canadian farms who can't compete with the scale of their industry. All that and it's still subsidized heavily in the States, just on the other side of the equation.
 
Good excuse for me to try and get my LRSS courses lol
I was looking forward to being posted next to Niagara Falls and being told to watch to try and make sure that no one swims over.

It occurs to me that 4th Canadian Division does not have any land borders in their AO.
 
I'm going to go ahead and add to my 2025 Bingo Card this:

1) Canada to join AUKUS - obtains 8-10 Virginia's
2) Canada joins the US Strategic Ballistic Missile Defense initiative

Anyone else have items they want to add to their 2025 Bingo cards?
join AUKUS yes, obtain Virginia's no. Don't need anymore production line Virginia's but if we come up with a dozen AIS that would be good. Definite on number 2.
 
No they don’t. There’s no statutory requirement for a Canadian nexus. We’ve listed all kinds of 83.05terrorist entities that have had nothing to do with Canada. The listing criteria ties to the 83.01 definition of “terrorist activity”, which is explicitly “in or outside Canada”.
You’re right! Gosh I’m getting old lol.
 
And does the commitment men 10,000 on duty at all times? Because that’s one hell of a Border Force (or awful lot of Punjabi commissionaires taken from the airports).
 
I was looking forward to being posted next to Niagara Falls and being told to watch to try and make sure that no one swims over.

It occurs to me that 4th Canadian Division does not have any land borders in their AO.
Assault boats along the St Laurence in Cornwall. Can stop for lunch at the Blue Anchor. Can actually park your boat there.
 
What Trump is doing is setting things up for April when the NA free trade agreement (or whatever crap it’s now called) expires. This is the background music for when the fat lady enters the stage and all eyes are on her.
Our banking executives should realize that they’ve been put on notice - 100%.
Dairy control board, you’re in the cross hairs as well.
Would not be surprised if the airlines and telecoms are as well but he’s not tipped his hand yet on them.
Which is why we need to give up as little as possible at each engagement. This 30 day tariff pause means he’ll be able to demand more things from Canada in March. Then Trump’s ongoing trade deficit study wraps up in April and they’ve already said that could lead to another round of tariffs. Then the CUSMA renegotiations are scheduled to begin next year. We’re going to need to endure 4 years of this. If we concede and retreat every time he makes a threat, Trump may very well effectively annex Canada through economic force by the time he leaves office just like he said he’d try to do.
 
I was looking forward to being posted next to Niagara Falls and being told to watch to try and make sure that no one swims over.
Imagine being stationed on the Manitoba/North Dakota/Minnesota border area....in the dead of winter....in a 10 man tent....



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We could make a movie about that - Like Super Troopers.....
 
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As per the Mexican President’s posts on X:

“2. The United States is committed to working to prevent the trafficking of high-powered weapons to Mexico.”


Too bad our leadership didn’t ask for support in stopping weapons trafficking. Could have let them stop wasting our own resources…


 
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