CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Remius]

How did we cave? Other than another useless public service position, what has changed?

cartels as terrorists? Pretty sure it didn’t necessitate any of this. lol.

It’s possible the markets and push back spooked them.

 

[Remius]

I guess all the things trudeau mentioned aren't real.

They were almost all already being done

 

[Czech_pivo]

It seems like Trudeau managed to get Trump to delay the tariffs without trade concessions unrelated to the Executive Order on Border Security, without resorting to some huge security theatre CAF deployment of thousands of troops, and without giving up our sovereignty. Give credit where credit is due, this is a good result.

If Trudeau had conceded too much now just to get a 30 day delay, we’d have no where to go when Trump comes back around in 30 days to ask for more.

We have zero knowledge of what else was agreed upon but delayed in being released at this time.

 

[brihard]

Lots to digest here. My hot take having just read this:

1. 10,000 ‘front line personnel’ for the border: who, doing what? How many will actually be new and how many are new over and above the prior $1.3b announcement and the resources that have already been shifted? Lots of lacking detail.

2. Joint organized crime/money laundering task force. Ok, cool. Who are we going to staff it with? Will there be any increase in available Human Resources over and above the exiting law enforcement/financial intelligence pool? Will there be new regulatory powers?

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

4. Basically all of this is coming down to a ton of further demand on federal policing priorities. Listing the cartels puts a huge additional burden on RCMP national security. Any resources shifted to the cartels will probably come at the expense of other major drug investigations including domestic fentanyl production. Is there a plan to somehow significantly bolster RCMP Human Resources? Or FINTRAC, or CBSA?

5. We need more courts and prosecutors. These are complex investigations. Courts are already tossing files.

I don’t know how they’re going to do the things they say they’re going to do. More thoughts once I really digest this.

 

[PuckChaser]

Hopefully this is the wake up call Canadians needed to stop letting special interests and lobbyists hamstring our economy. Unfortunately there will be a lot of handshakes and high fives and we'll likely continue towards being a postnational state instead of a sovereign nation.

- PC

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[suffolkowner]

Lots to digest here. My hot take having just read this:

1. 10,000 ‘front line personnel’ for the border: who, doing what? How many will actually be new and how many are new over and above the prior $1.3b announcement and the resources that have already been shifted? Lots of lacking detail.

2. Joint organized crime/money laundering task force. Ok, cool. Who are we going to staff it with? Will there be any increase in available Human Resources over and above the exiting law enforcement/financial intelligence pool? Will there be new regulatory powers?

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

4. Basically all of this is coming down to a ton of further demand on federal policing priorities. Listing the cartels puts a huge additional burden on RCMP national security. Any resources shifted to the cartels will probably come at the expense of other major drug investigations including domestic fentanyl production. Is there a plan to somehow significantly bolster RCMP Human Resources? Or FINTRAC, or CBSA?

5. We need more courts and prosecutors. These are complex investigations. Courts are already tossing files.

I don’t know how they’re going to do the things they say they’re going to do. More thoughts once I really digest this.

who says we are going to do it lol?

Theres what 30000 RCMP and 17000 CBSA? How many of those can we say are "border"?

 

[QV]

who says we are going to do it lol?

Theres what 30000 RCMP and 17000 CBSA? How many of those can we say are "border"?

I suspect the "paused for 30 days" caveat means if the US doesn't see any action on the commitments means were back to square 1 and maybe worse. I also note during the pause there will be negotiations including economic topics. This isn't remotely over yet.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Premier Doug Ford has announced that Ontario will be blocking US companies out of bidding on provincial contracts, potentially a loss of $10b a year in business (something something trade balance). He’s also ‘ripping up’ Ontario’s $100m contract with Elon Musk’s Starlink to provide satellite internet to more remote parts of Ontario.

So we'll be paying $100m in cancelation fees and not get any internet?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Lots to digest here. My hot take having just read this:

1. 10,000 ‘front line personnel’ for the border: who, doing what? How many will actually be new and how many are new over and above the prior $1.3b announcement and the resources that have already been shifted? Lots of lacking detail.

2. Joint organized crime/money laundering task force. Ok, cool. Who are we going to staff it with? Will there be any increase in available Human Resources over and above the exiting law enforcement/financial intelligence pool? Will there be new regulatory powers?

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

4. Basically all of this is coming down to a ton of further demand on federal policing priorities. Listing the cartels puts a huge additional burden on RCMP national security. Any resources shifted to the cartels will probably come at the expense of other major drug investigations including domestic fentanyl production. Is there a plan to somehow significantly bolster RCMP Human Resources? Or FINTRAC, or CBSA?

5. We need more courts and prosecutors. These are complex investigations. Courts are already tossing files.

I don’t know how they’re going to do the things they say they’re going to do. More thoughts once I really digest this.

Parliament needs to sit and pass changes to terrorism legislation + funding.

For the money laundering but we’ll probably need a RICO type of legal regime to capture up and downstream bits.

Extraditions will become much more regular. Charter implications.

MLAT will need a serious overhaul to speed it up or perhaps replace it with something much more real time operationally focussed.

US drug laws are much more severe than Canadian. Likely need to be harmonized.

Wiretap and monitoring laws, regs, equipment, procedures all need to be standardized across borders. Charter again.

US DEA back in full swing. (Yay for me!)

Financial and property seizures, proceeds of crime etc all need to be updated.

Not going to happen in 30 days or even 6 months.

NDA will require a change to begin daily assistance to law enforcement and CBSA.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Well, naive, starry eyed me continues to go with what POTUS47 says - also without context as well as what some would consider pure spin: "Canada doesn’t even allow U.S. Banks to open or do business there."

So, who's lying, then?

Both

 

[QV]

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

Is that a legislative amendment that could be in the bill tabled by the new PM Carney and the NDP move to change the fixed election dates?

 

[PuckChaser]

So we'll be paying $100m in cancelation fees and not get any internet?

This is the way. Hopefully he backs off the ledge because any Canadian alternative is trash compared to Starlink.

 

[mariomike]

So not Toronto then?

/levity

Nice to see men I interested in team sports. Even if only for one moment.

/levity

 

[Cloud Cover]

Is that a legislative amendment that could be in the bill tabled by the new PM Carney and the NDP move to change the fixed election dates?

No. It requires committee study and there will be opposition. Many of our Middle East temporary guests friends if Team Red are/were/will be caught in this.

 

[Cloud Cover]

who says we are going to do it lol?

Theres what 30000 RCMP and 17000 CBSA? How many of those can we say are "border"?

All of the 17000.

 

[daftandbarmy]

We have zero knowledge of what else was agreed upon but delayed in being released at this time.

I think we all know how it went down

 

[brihard]

who says we are going to do it lol?

Theres what 30000 RCMP and 17000 CBSA? How many of those can we say are "border"?

About 18,000 RCMP cops, though of course civilian roles are essential too. Most are ‘contract policing’, ie provincial or municipal police. Everything spoken of today is a federal policing matter. This is all going to draw from the same relatively modest pool of people. I have absolutely no idea where they imagine there are additional trained people to throw at any of these problems. The Mounties going to front line uniformed border work right now are coming from what’s left of the teams that are pivoting from Mexican cartel cocaine to domestic fentanyl.

I mean yeah, throw tons of money and such at this, do hiring blitzes… But there isn’t really an ‘in case of emergency break glass’ manpower reserve here. This is a long, long game.

Parliament needs to sit and pass changes to terrorism legislation + funding.

For the money laundering but we’ll probably need a RICO type of legal regime to capture up and downstream bits.

Extraditions will become much more regular. Charter implications.

MLAT will need a serious overhaul to speed it up or perhaps replace it with something much more real time operationally focussed.

US drug laws are much more severe than Canadian. Likely need to be harmonized.

Wiretap and monitoring laws, regs, equipment, procedures all need to be standardized across borders. Charter again.

US DEA back in full swing. (Yay for me!)

Financial and property seizures, proceeds of crime etc all need to be updated.

Not going to happen in 30 days or even 6 months.

NDA will require a change to begin daily assistance to law enforcement and CBSA.

Lots of nodding my head ‘yes’ to this. Allow me to mull.

 

[QV]

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

Could the cartels not just become a "listed entity" like the Proud Boys?

 

[suffolkowner]

All of the 17000.

problem solved

 

[JLB50]

Really? He got Canada, Mexico and Panama to cave.

Not sure what that really means in the scheme of things. Think of all the countries that caved to Hitler.