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toyotatundra said:I am aiming to be an officer because I prefer intellectual or written tasks to practical ones.
You have no idea what NCMs do....do you ?
toyotatundra said:I am aiming to be an officer because I prefer intellectual or written tasks to practical ones.
CDN Aviator said:You have no idea what NCMs do....do you ?
dirtnco said:And the bright red light tracks across the officers back. After alot of years of "doing this stuff" young dumbass
You would make great boot blackener, only because it wears off after a bit and i can find more.
Pusser said:From the beginning of this thread to now, we have seen a significiant shift in attitude from the OP (toyotatundra), so I think it's unfair that some folks are chiming at this point to dump all over him for the things he said in the beginning. He's recognized his mistake and is trying to move. Perhaps we should let him?
Perhaps a lesson here for everybody is that we should read through an entire thread before commenting? That way, we a) don't repeat what someone else has already said and b) don't look like a jerk for dumping on someone who has already corrected his mistake.
Now to comment on adminstrative versus practical work. There indeed are some NCMs who do a lot of administrative type work, which can involve significant amounts of writing. By the same token, there are officer classifications that do very little of it. However, as a general rule, the NCM role is more practical in nature, while the officers role is more administrative. It is also worth noting that administration and writing generally don't become part of the job for NCMs until they get to higher ranks and levels of responsibility, whereas for officers, it tends to start from the beginning.
recceguy said:However, there's the problem. He came in ignorant of the facts and full of himself. He got corrected, and seemed to turn a corner. Then he falls back to ground zero with idiotic comments about Officer\ NCM status again.
Perhaps the best lesson he could learn is just to STFU until such time as he's gained enough experience AND knowledge to form an intelligent opinion.
I wasn't aware that extensive CF experience was required to judge the merit of a person's words, their openness to correction, or their attitude. If this were a matter of CF or military expertise, I would happily defer to your own experience; however, the debate seems to revolve more around the OP's attitude. In that respect, you and I have the same sample to draw from- his words on this forum.recceguy said:Another, I see.
Thank you, so very much for pointing out the error of my ways based on your vast experience.
jwtg said:I wasn't aware that extensive CF experience was required to judge the merit of a person's words, their openness to correction, or their attitude. If this were a matter of CF or military expertise, I would happily defer to your own experience; however, the debate seems to revolve more around the OP's attitude. In that respect, you and I have the same sample to draw from- his words on this forum.
If you would address my words instead of just spitting venom from your high horse then this discussion might go somewhere.
Pusser said:From the beginning of this thread to now, we have seen a significiant shift in attitude from the OP (toyotatundra), so I think it's unfair that some folks are chiming at this point to dump all over him for the things he said in the beginning. He's recognized his mistake and is trying to move. Perhaps we should let him?
toyotatundra said:I am only going by what the recruiters said in response to my specific questions.
I'm not sure that was necessary. Yes, people who aren't in the CF tend to not be acutely aware of every detail regarding trades and ranks, but then, most jobs are the same way. It's less "idiotic" and more "naive". You and I, I'm sure, were naive toward some of the details regarding the CF when we joined and I doubt we considered it "idiotic".recceguy said:However, there's the problem. He came in ignorant of the facts and full of himself. He got corrected, and seemed to turn a corner. Then he falls back to ground zero with idiotic comments about Officer\ NCM status again.
Perhaps the best lesson he could learn is just to STFU until such time as he's gained enough experience AND knowledge to form an intelligent opinion.
Nauticus said:I'm not sure that was necessary. Yes, people who aren't in the CF tend to not be acutely aware of every detail regarding trades and ranks, but then, most jobs are the same way. It's less "idiotic" and more "naive". You and I, I'm sure, were naive toward some of the details regarding the CF when we joined and I doubt we considered it "idiotic".
Sigger said:People are touchy here.
Toyotatundra, I like how you are not turning into a snot from the comments like so many others would. Good on ya.
Nauticus said:I'm not sure that was necessary. Yes, people who aren't in the CF tend to not be acutely aware of every detail regarding trades and ranks, but then, most jobs are the same way. It's less "idiotic" and more "naive". You and I, I'm sure, were naive toward some of the details regarding the CF when we joined and I doubt we considered it "idiotic".
I think you should just let it drop. There is no win, win with this one. We don't win, you don't win. Especially with that kind of off tangent thinking, making inferences that only you see and no one else said.toyotatundra said:I think my brief comment on NCMs being practical may be getting stretched into something I didn't intend. Namely that NCMs are somehow stupid or can't think or never do paper work.
Its no more fair than the opposite. You called NCMs practical? So you think officers are impractical? You said officers do written work? So you think officers can't fire a gun? You called us intellectual? So you think we lack common sense?
Kind of like when you tell your girlfriend she looks good today. And she replies, so I looked bad yesterday?
No, no, you just look sexy in that dress. So I look fat in my other dresses?
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Sigger said:Not sure what happened to my post, so here it is again:
I realize how easy it is to misconstrue ones posts on a forum, but sometimes it requires a :facepalm:
CDN Aviator said:I drown in paperwork every single day. I have to write reports on someone or something at least once a day. I not only have to handle my own administration but that of my subordinates. There is allot of writing and typing i assure you.
I also have to use my head. Training programs don't get developed by themselves. I had to participate in redesigning national level training for my trade and restructuring employment in new areas. I have had my head filled full of such intellectual things as the use of spaced-based assets and electronic warfare. I then get to use my NCM brain to advise the chain of command ( you know....officers) on the use of these assets to support the mission, sometimes at much higher levels than myself. I can assure you that my work as an NCM requires a large amount of "intellectual" work.