He’s also attempting to deny past quotes…also ages well.hmm Trump quote ages well
A Deeply Fractured US
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lenaitch
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If the defence appeals and wins doesn't, in and of itself, mean "the system" is corrupt. It's more of a reflection that the system is populated by humans, and humans are fallible. If the decision is appealled all the way to the SCOTUS, regardless of the outcome, there will be set of people who see its decision - whichever way it goes - as evidence of corruption.
I await the prefect system. Levels of review, checks and balances, etc. are out best attempt to come as close as we can.
Brad Sallows
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Sure, corruption in parts of the system doesn't mean the whole system is corrupt.
Human beings are also intentful. This stuff doesn't happen entirely in the passive voice.
They already do. Alito and Thomas are under pressure to recuse from SC cases which concern matters about which their wives' political involvement is thought to be compromising. None of the opinion pieces I've read advocating this had anything to say about Merchan and his family's Democratic connections. Obviously there's partisan bias in how justice is perceived.
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What I don't get in all this is why Trump let Cohen leverage his home equity to pay the NDA.
Couldn't he just pay it himself?
Is this the heart of the case? This deception? To what end?
Couldn't he just pay it himself?
Is this the heart of the case? This deception? To what end?
I would infer that the intent was distance and concealment. Have Cohen pay it and then reimburse him gradually over months, so Trump’s name was never directly on it. Indeed, Trump himself referred to a series of payments to Cohen as ‘reimbursements’ rather than legal fees.
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I've said for a while now that Canada would greatly benefit from a quality investigative journalism outlet like the US has with ProPublica. They've had some excellent deep-dive articles on the USN, including USS Fitzgerald, USN 7th Fleet, and the Littoral Combat Ship.
One of their latest:
www.propublica.org
One of their latest:
Multiple Trump Witnesses Have Received Significant Financial Benefits From His Businesses, Campaign
Witnesses in the various criminal cases against the former president have gotten pay raises, new jobs and more. If any benefits were intended to influence testimony, that could be a crime.
www.propublica.org
TacticalTea
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Yeah, so it does seem like there's a mental element here, an intent to conceal something. So then the question is to what end? Was it really to "promote a candidate"?
That's the part I find dubious and would like to see the jurisprudence on this. It's not like Cohen went and bought ads with that money. He fulfilled DJT's end of an NDA. Seems like a stretch to tie it to the campaign, however close it might have been to the election.
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Since you seem to tie Cohen's actions to whether or not the payments to McDougal and Clifford/Stormy Daniels (or as identified in another criminal proceeding as "Woman-1" and "Woman-2") were connected to the campaign, perhaps it is useful to remind that Cohen had, in 2018, pled guilty to campaign finance violations and been sentenced to 3 years in prison in relation to this specific event.
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You lose some then you win some (temporarily at least).
A Georgia appeals court has halted the election subversion conspiracy case against Donald Trump and several of his co-defendants – a massive victory for the former president seeking to push further legal issues until 2025 if he can’t beat them altogether.
“The Georgia Court of Appeals has properly stayed all proceedings against President Trump in the trial court pending its decision on our interlocutory appeal which argues the case should be dismissed and Fulton County DA Willis should be disqualified for her misconduct,”
And another
A Georgia appeals court has halted the election subversion conspiracy case against Donald Trump and several of his co-defendants – a massive victory for the former president seeking to push further legal issues until 2025 if he can’t beat them altogether.
“The Georgia Court of Appeals has properly stayed all proceedings against President Trump in the trial court pending its decision on our interlocutory appeal which argues the case should be dismissed and Fulton County DA Willis should be disqualified for her misconduct,”
And another
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Latest consequence: no more concealed weapon permit for YOU!
www.nytimes.com
www.rollingstone.com
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N.Y.P.D. Moves to Revoke Trump’s License to Carry a Gun
Former President Donald J. Trump had a concealed carry license and had three pistols.
Trump's Gun License Expected to Be Revoked by NYPD Following Criminal Conviction
Donald Trump's gun license is expected to be revoked by the New York Police Department after he was found guilty on 34 felony counts.
www.rollingstone.com
Post-conviction move by NYPD may ensure Trump can’t just shoot someone on 5th Avenue
Donald Trump, who once bragged he "could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone" without losing supporters, will likely be barred from owning a gun in the state he once called home.
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2nd Amendment grift email in 3… 2… 1…Latest consequence: no more concealed weapon permit for YOU!
N.Y.P.D. Moves to Revoke Trump’s License to Carry a Gun
Former President Donald J. Trump had a concealed carry license and had three pistols.Trump's Gun License Expected to Be Revoked by NYPD Following Criminal Conviction
Donald Trump's gun license is expected to be revoked by the New York Police Department after he was found guilty on 34 felony counts.Post-conviction move by NYPD may ensure Trump can’t just shoot someone on 5th Avenue
Donald Trump, who once bragged he "could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone" without losing supporters, will likely be barred from owning a gun in the state he once called home.
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Which could be countered by a "Donald Trump wants convicted felons to be able to concealed carry" narrative if someone was brave enough
Brad Sallows
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Some 2A enthusiasts would like to see non-violent felons gain/retain carry rights. They favour not penalizing Trump, and finding Hunter Biden not guilty on his firearm charge.
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I’m just more surprised that he had 3 pistols and managed not to shoot himself by accident.Latest consequence: no more concealed weapon permit for YOU!
N.Y.P.D. Moves to Revoke Trump’s License to Carry a Gun
Former President Donald J. Trump had a concealed carry license and had three pistols.Trump's Gun License Expected to Be Revoked by NYPD Following Criminal Conviction
Donald Trump's gun license is expected to be revoked by the New York Police Department after he was found guilty on 34 felony counts.Post-conviction move by NYPD may ensure Trump can’t just shoot someone on 5th Avenue
Donald Trump, who once bragged he "could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone" without losing supporters, will likely be barred from owning a gun in the state he once called home.
QV
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Is that what you're surprised about? Huh.... I was surprised by his accomplishments as POTUS while under constant assault from the deep state. You can read about them here:
Trump Administration Accomplishments – The White House
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Canadian media, not known for criticizing the attempts to "get Trump", are questioning the abuse of the American justice system:
nationalpost.com
Raymond J. de Souza: What the Trump verdict says about the sorry state of American justice
U.S. prosecutors can usually convict anyone of anything if they are so determined
nationalpost.com
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There was an article in the Sun this morning about the AG for New York City (Bragg is his name) and how his focus on Trump is failing NYC. Interesting.Canadian media, not known for criticizing the attempts to "get Trump", are questioning the abuse of the American justice system:
Raymond J. de Souza: What the Trump verdict says about the sorry state of American justice
U.S. prosecutors can usually convict anyone of anything if they are so determined
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FTFYA conservative columnist writing in Canadian media, not known for criticizing the attempts to "get Trump", are questioning the abuse of the American justice system:
Raymond J. de Souza: What the Trump verdict says about the sorry state of American justice
U.S. prosecutors can usually convict anyone of anything if they are so determined
Guessing it's this, no?
MCCAUGHEY: New Yorkers living in peril as district attorney focuses on Trump
A security guard at Duane Reade pharmacy and convenience store was stabbed and a shopper was threatened by a knife-wielding thief
winnipegsun.com
Guessing it's this, no?
Also archived here if previous link doesn't work.MCCAUGHEY: New Yorkers living in peril as district attorney focuses on Trump
A security guard at Duane Reade pharmacy and convenience store was stabbed and a shopper was threatened by a knife-wielding thief
Sounds like the “Don’t you have real crime to deal with?” whenever we catch some white collar type driving drunk and such.
I’m sure we’ll continue to hear the same sort of whining when the Georgia, Washington, and Florida prosecutions eventually make it to trial.
The very real challenges in adequately staffing and resourcing the criminal justice system doesn’t mean giving a total pass to white collar or other non-violent crime.
