A Deeply Fractured US

[Brad Sallows]

Again there is a big difference between the two cases of improperly retaining classified material. While I would have liked to see POTUS charged as well, the circumstances in that case as well as the type of information was remarkably different that what DJT did.

Which big difference? That Trump was resistant/obstructive, or that Biden had no presidential authority at the time he was collecting records?

Either no-one is above the law, or some people are, and reasons are contrived to excuse them. That's two cases of classified information mishandling by Democrats (Clinton, Biden) conveniently discarded.

 

[KevinB]

Roberts the Institutionalist, Alito the Culture Warrior

Plus: Can an aisle-crossing moderate win the race to replace Sen. Mitt Romney?

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[QV]

The difference being: anything to stop Trump from winning again is ok.

 

[KevinB]

Which big difference? That Trump was resistant/obstructive, or that Biden had no presidential authority at the time he was collecting records?

Authority to possess ended for both at the end of the respective terms. Given President Biden’s role as VP and the international role he had, it doesn’t seem odd to me that he’d have TS+ info. Now it should have been returned, and I’d agree that its careless retention is deserving of criminal charges.

Either no-one is above the law, or some people are, and reasons are contrived to excuse them. That's two cases of classified information mishandling by Democrats (Clinton, Biden) conveniently discarded.

Clinton running her own server and passing classified information over it — well that utterly inexcusable. I’m still fuming she wasn’t charged.

Trump retaining documents only got inexcusable when he attempted to further hide them, and otherwise obstructing their retrieval…
More worrisome was the type of information former President Trump was attempting to retain.

 

[KevinB]

Hunter Biden guilty on three counts

Hunter Biden found guilty on all three charges in federal gun case — Guardian US

Verdict comes after week-long trial in Biden family hometown of Wilmington, Delaware

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[Fishbone Jones]

Beat me to it

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Hunter Biden guilty on three counts

Hunter Biden found guilty on all three charges in federal gun case — Guardian US

Verdict comes after week-long trial in Biden family hometown of Wilmington, Delaware

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I doubt he will get jail time, I just hope that his sentence bars from going to the Whitehouse or any government function or place associated with his fathers duties.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Hunter Biden guilty on three counts

Should mute the speculation that the jury part of the system is unreliable. A trial of a Biden in Delaware in which most of the jury members admitted to connections to someone with a drug problem was about as tempting as any nullification target might get.

 

[TacticalTea]

I doubt he will get jail time, I just hope that his sentence bars from going to the Whitehouse or any government function or place associated with his fathers duties.

I doubt either he or the DNC were interested anyway.

 

[brihard]

Good, sounds like justice was done despite the potential for political pressure, real or perceived. I’m sure we can all agree this shows Hunter Biden to lack the suitable judgement or temperament for elected office.

 

[Remius]

Will close one “whataboutism” line, at least, coming from maga snowflakes.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I doubt either he or the DNC were interested anyway.

Apparently he took his drug habits along with him to the Whitehouse. Having him barred, makes life easier for the Secret Service and the Staffer there.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Will close one “whataboutism” line, at least, coming from maga snowflakes.

Depends. There's a long way to go on both, Biden and Trump, yet. Both are just on the opening salvos. There's still tons of room for divergence.

There is also still charges pending on both for various things.

Maga snowflakes? Do we pull the TDS handle back out of the closet? We were asked to put that descriptor away, and I'm pretty sure we did. At least I stopped using it. But hey, I'm easy. It's only a short keystroke away.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The best thing that came out of this, is the laptop is now in play. The DOJ legitimized it. It is no longer Russian Disinformation. There's an awful lot of charges and widening of investigations available now.

Doesn't bode well for the 51 intelligence officers that signed that letter either.

 

[QV]

I see we've moved from "all the earmarks of Russian disinformation" to.... evidence.

 

[brihard]

I see we’ve also moved to acceptance of trial level criminal juries as being capable and confirmed triers of fact, whose verdicts are inherently taken as valid, and as affirming the presented evidence. That’s a good and healthy thing, and I think we’ll make sure to keep a bookmark on that page.

 

[QV]

I've never claimed the laptop was likely Russian disinformation weeks ahead of an election. But the establishment did... and now it's evidence good enough to convict. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the establishment.

I have not moved from my position there is selective prosecution.

 

[brihard]

I've never claimed the laptop was likely Russian disinformation weeks ahead of an election. But the establishment did... and now it's evidence good enough to convict. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the establishment.

I have not moved from my position there is selective prosecution.

I should have clarified I’m speaking more broadly than just in reply to you or your one comment, sorry. I’m more making a point of the rather selective belief in the legitimacy of the criminal justice system that we tend to see in this thread.

 

[QV]

Oh, ok. Well for the record, this Hunter shit show does not move the needle for me.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Biden was pretty well open and shut. The federal crimes were there and defined. The evidence was clear and indisputable. The jury findings could not be otherwise and stand scrutiny. Now we wait and see for the conviction and sentence. I'm sure the appeal will dead end in short order.

Little or no semblance the New York trial.