Western Alienation - Split from General Election 2019

[Remius]

All that needed to be done was to punish the BC government for not abiding by the constitution whenever Provinces have not fulfilled their agreements that they’ve agreed to the Feds have withheld funding from them until they comply with what they’re supposed to do and instead of the feds doing that he took the opportunity to play politics with the situation that’s why he bought the pipeline so he could maintain political control with Albertas rights and play us and BC against each other for political gain.

Would that not have led to BC alienation and possible separation?  As far as I can tell there are court issues and the Feds are still trying to get it approved.  Trudeau has been attacked from BQ and Greens and NDP over trying to get the pipeline approved.   

What did BC not abide by, or agreement did they violate?

BC is doing fine on its own to hold up the process. 

 

[Altair]

Most BCers are in favour of the pipeline the current government is looking to be wiped out next election a lot in part because of their opposition to the pipeline.

There is a difference between being in support  of something and having something forced upon you.

No province wants the feds showing up "punishing" them to get something done.

I doubt the courts would agree with that being informed consent either.

 

[Remius]

Most BCers are in favour of the pipeline the current government is looking to be wiped out next election a lot in part because of their opposition to the pipeline.

Where are you getting your numbers from? 

17 of 42 seats went to the CPC.  That is assuming every CPC supporter there is pro pipeline. So less than half the ridings.

The CPC got 34% of the popular vote.  Not amazing but that means the LPC, NDP and Greens (and JWR) got 66%.  If you think that those parties are anti pipeline then MOST BCers would tend to not want a pipeline no? 

Also look how the ridings along the coast went where the greatest impact will be.  Not one blue one.

This is all assuming that everyone there had pipelines on there minds when they voted.

 

[VinceW]

Would that not have led to BC alienation and possible separation?  As far as I can tell there are court issues and the Feds are still trying to get it approved.  Trudeau has been attacked from BQ and Greens and NDP over trying to get the pipeline approved.   

What did BC not abide by, or agreement did they violate?

BC is doing fine on its own to hold up the process.

Moving energy throughout the country is a federal right the last time BC didn’t obey constitutional rights of the Feds they were punished financially because they tried shutting down the Nanoose torpedo range.
Since most BCers want the pipeline it’s the environmental loonies that make the most noise about it there’s not much worry about them seperating just for that reason.

 

[VinceW]

Where are you getting your numbers from? 

17 of 42 seats went to the CPC.  That is assuming every CPC supporter there is pro pipeline. So less than half the ridings.

The CPC got 34% of the popular vote.  Not amazing but that means the LPC, NDP and Greens (and JWR) got 66%.  If you think that those parties are anti pipeline then MOST BCers would tend to not want a pipeline no? 

Also look how the ridings along the coast went where the greatest impact will be.  Not one blue one.

This is all assuming that everyone there had pipelines on there minds when they voted.

There’s around 54% for the pipeline they’re also doing a terrible job dealing with the economy as is usual with socialist governments.

 

[Good2Golf]

If Kenney won’t support independence we’ll put people in who will we’ve done it before for other leaders that don’t do their jobs right.
The West went from voting federally for the PC’s to the Reform party because the former wouldn’t represent the West to the best of their abilities.

Whatever...

 

[Altair]

Well,  this has been amusing.  :brickwall:

 

[VinceW]

Whatever...

Albertans will vote for the Bloc before letting her party back in again.

 

[Remius]

Moving energy throughout the country is a federal right the last time BC didn’t obey constitutional rights of the Feds they were punished financially because they tried shutting down the Nanoose torpedo range.
Since most BCers want the pipeline it’s the environmental loonies that make the most noise about it there’s not much worry about them seperating just for that reason.

Is it?  Legit question.  Also the court cases are still being heard over this so it isn't over, but it is taking time.  There is a reason BC and indigenous groups are challenging the Feds on the pipeline as they don't seem to think so in this case.  I don't think energy is the issue, just the way it is being transported. 

So imposing a carbon tax is a federal right?  Because last I heard Alberta wasn't going to play ball.  So it is ok to have that forced on them?

Vince, I'm trying to understand your logic, not trying to bait you or anything.  But this seems to be an emotional response from you as opposed to a rational one.

 

[Remius]

Albertans will vote for the Bloc before letting her party back in again.

???

Not sure what that response was to but that isn't how our electoral system works.  Unless the bloc had candidates in Alberta...which pretty much impossible.

 

[VinceW]

There is a difference between being in support  of something and having something forced upon you.

No province wants the feds showing up "punishing" them to get something done.

I doubt the courts would agree with that being informed consent either.

If there was a government who’s members weren’t determined to stop the pipeline not much of this would be happening.

 

[Good2Golf]

Albertans will vote for the Bloc before letting her party back in again.

Just don’t forget your own self-inflicted damage when you’re busy railing against Ontario and Quebec.

 

[Altair]

If there was a government who’s members weren’t determined to stop the pipeline not much of this would be happening.

I have a buddy who used to work up in fort mac. Made his money before the crash,  back east now.

Told me the liberals should let TMX die. I asked him why,  and he said the NDP and Greens would eat him alive over buying it,  and not a single Albertan would give him a ounce of credit,  so politically it would make more sense.

He was right.

 

[Brad Sallows]

>Where are you getting your numbers from? 

With respect to BC, I assumed he meant provincially.  But that's difficult to gauge: polling results are likely to be inflected during periods of high fuel prices.

 

[Baz]

...environmental loonies that make the most noise...

You've used that term, loonies, twice now.  Exactly who are you referring to?  I consider myself a moderate environmentalist, understand the real science and believe we have to do something, but also know we have to make measured steps to avoid social and economic turmoil, and have taken small steps like driving a hybrid.  Am I a loonie?

Understanding the history of the human species, I'm more concerned about the state of mind of someone who is threatening people with violence for some perceived threat to their independence, and who can't seem to make or understand a coherent logical argument.

 

[VinceW]

You've used that term, loonies, twice now.  Exactly who are you referring to?  I consider myself a moderate environmentalist, understand the real science and believe we have to do something, but also know we have to make measured steps to avoid social and economic turmoil, and have taken small steps like driving a hybrid.  Am I a loonie?

Understanding the history of the human species, I'm more concerned about the state of mind of someone who is threatening people with violence for some perceived threat to their independence, and who can't seem to make or understand a coherent logical argument.

People who commit a criminal act against me deserve a throat punch and or something else.

Climate scientists have been as capable to predict what the climate will do in the future as much as a late night psychic can there’s no proof yet that CO2 raises temperatures the earth warms up first then CO2 rises it doesn’t work the other way around they still don’t know but the climate scientists have been politicalized to the point where if someone like other scientists don’t agree with the CO2 warming narrative they’re dismissed as being anti science or they support big oil.
The most fanatical climate justice warriors are also using the climate change scare to get support for socialist economic policies the far Left loons make up all those parties and movements.

 

[Baz]

I've spent most of my adult life "standing on guard" for this Country so when people attack it I also take it seriously.

Oh gee, internet memes... that's what I'll believe over talking to actual statistical meteorologists at Environment Canada who have spent their entire professional life getting good at what they do.  And they are politicised simply because people don't understand it and/or don't agree with them.

But I got it, I'm loonie... this conversation is useless ... I'm out.

 

[garb811]

People who commit a criminal act against me deserve a throat punch and or something else.

Climate scientists have been as capable to predict what the climate will do in the future as much as a late night psychic can there’s no proof yet that CO2 raises temperatures the earth warms up first then CO2 rises it doesn’t work the other way around they still don’t know but the climate scientists have been politicalized to the point where if someone like other scientists don’t agree with the CO2 warming narrative they’re dismissed as being anti science or they support big oil.
The most fanatical climate justice warriors are also using the climate change scare to get support for socialist economic policies the far Left loons make up all those parties and movements.

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[daftandbarmy]

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Thanks for that. You have saved my eyes from rolling out of my head.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Meanwhile, a good reminder that 'Wexit' doesn't stop at the Rockies:

'Wexit' talk doesn't stop at Alberta's border with Conservative surge in B.C.

While much has been made of the Conservative Party's sweep of Saskatchewan and most of Alberta in Monday's night election, the blue wave didn't stop at the Rockies.

Instead, it continued into British Columbia's Interior and northeast, parts of the province where support for Conservative candidates ranged from 45.1 per cent in Kootenay-Columbia in the south to a full 69.9 per cent in Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies in the north.

Although it's normal for Conservatives to win in these regions, the party also picked up tens of thousands of new votes along the B.C.-Alberta border compared to its performance in 2015.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/british-columbia-conservatives-wexit-1.5335966?cmp=newsletter-news-digests-canada-and-world-evening