US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence
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Are you speaking about the possibility that Vance as VP might not certify the next time? Given that he has never accepted that Biden won it is certainly a possibility given that only one side has declared it will never concede.
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another updated vote estimate. Swing states as always
daftandbarmy
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Freedom of speech inbound in figures 3.... 2...1....
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Accuse me of having rose-tinted glasses if you will (mine are actually clear), but...
Trump, like most negotiators, likes to bargain from a position of strength. The ultimate position of strength is to declare that you don't need the deal. You can walk away.
I see the tariffs as his tool to secure the deals he is looking for. If Canada, and Europe and the ROTW want access to the US market then they are going to have to pony up. Better balance of trade, or access for milk and poultry and other agricultural products, or better defence contributions, or less threatening posture, or keeping control of the flow of people coming across your territory to US borders, or taking back illegals and failed US citizens, or managing terrorists, or supporting friends and allies...... Do better and tariffs go down. Do worse and tariffs go up. But the starting position is there will be tariffs, unless he is offered a better deal.
I will continue to resist the tendency to panic.
It’s very transactional with Trump. The ace in the hole for most countries like Canada did last time is targeted retaliations where members of Congress and Senate feel the pain in their constituencies and become your best lobbyists.
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Our problem may be that on many of the issues I enumerated Trump has a lot of bipartisan support in both houses. Finding lobbyists might be a challenge on, for example, defence contributions, softwood lumber, and dairy subsidies. Freedom of movement might be an issue if we don't police our immigrant stream to the satisfaction of the US.
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So how would that even work, short of not having Meta, etc in Canada?
Separately, I watched a podcast about the lack of turnout and it was with a young black man. He essentially said that as someone who was poor, GOP or Dem didn’t matter because either party’s politics generally reach them - they are still poor. So they have become nihilistic and with Trump’s 2nd win, they think “great - now more people will be like us”.
daftandbarmy
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States and country’s rights, right?These details are unimportant to the MAGA TV audience
Colin Parkinson
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You log into FB and find "Sorry we cannot allow you to access our site from your current location"
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Yes - that’s what I meant about not having Meta in Canada.
But aside from that “nuclear option” for the company, what’s the other COA?
Colin Parkinson
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I would expect a warning popping up for a month or so saying this is coming, speak to your representative. That would create political pressure.
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Personally speaking, I actually kind of want this to happen.
Aside from when there were the forest fire issues, I think Canada not having news on Meta’s social media has been a good thing.
The folks this will really affect are folks already in their 30s and up. In my completely unscientific survey, folks younger than that aren’t on FB and barely on Instagram.
RangerRay
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For a country that likes go on about how much we are about free trade, Canada bends over backwards to protect the dairy oligarchs from having to compete on the world stage and sell their products at market prices. Dairy supply management has been the biggest obstacle to Canada inking substantial trade deals with the rest of the world.
I could see the new Trump administration demand that we blow it up. And I don’t think that would be a bad thing.
I could see the new Trump administration demand that we blow it up. And I don’t think that would be a bad thing.
It’s a big lobby here. Mad Max is on board. Not sure PP will be. He’s been pretty consistant on that issue.
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what about chickens, turkeys and eggs?
lenaitch
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There would need to be a way to unwind the quotas. The Conference Board estimates the book value of dairy quota to be about $3.5-4.5Bn, so farmers would be sitting on that - some still paying it off - and it would be worth nothing.
Any government that gives it away probably looses Quebec and a bunch of Ontario.
RangerRay
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Yeah them too. Dairy seems particularly egregious though. It’s what all the other countries we’ve negotiated with is most put off by.
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