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US Election: 2016

Thucydides said:
If US electoral politics is devolving into racial identity politics (as some "Alt-Right" thinkers believe),

The source was National Public Radio
http://www.npr.org/people/95608292/linton-weeks

Thucydides said:
I'm still seeing the political divide as being more urban/rural and populist/elite in nature, so we will see how the next four years unfold.

Hard to see the racial political divide when both candidates are white.  :)

Even so, 88% of African-American voters voted for Mrs. Clinton.  8% voted for Mr. Trump. That indicates a racial divide to me.

Barack Obama garnered 96 percent ( 2008 ) and 93% ( 2012 ) of the African-American vote.

Thucydides said:
< snip>  everyone should be forewarned that whites still make up the largest single voting block in the United States.

Not to worry!

And at the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get over 95 percent of the African-American vote. I promise you."
https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22And+at+the+end+of+four+years,+I+guarantee+you+that+I+will+get+over+95+percent+of+the+African-American+vote.+I+promise+you.%22&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=B0pbWNHyBYGN8QfU84jwBQ&gws_rd=ssl

Same individual who said this about America's first African American president,
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/donald-trump-birther/

 
Well, well, well ...
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/cyber-experts-determine-link-dnc-breaches-russian-hostility-ukraine/
The Russian hackers who launched a cyber attack against the Democratic National Committee earlier this year used a malicious software similar to that used to target the Ukrainian military, computer security experts determined.

CrowdStrike, the California-based cyber security firm that investigated the DNC hacks, said in a report released Thursday the malware used in the political breaches was a “variant” of software used by the Russian military to locate and kill Ukrainian troops who were fighting Russian-backed separatists, the Wall Street Journal reported.

CrowdStrike determined the software used against the Ukrainian military was created by hacking group Fancy Bear, which U.S. officials believe is linked to the Russian intelligence agency GRU. The firm announced in June that Fancy Bear was one of two Russian hacking groups that had targeted the DNC.

CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch said the findings offer further evidence that “it wasn’t a 400-pound guy in his bed” who launched cyber attacks against Democratic political networks, but Russian intelligence agencies ...
CrowdStrike report (11 pg PDF) downloadable here.
 
milnews.ca said:
....cyber attacks against Democratic political networks, but Russian intelligence agencies ...

Mike Bobbitt said:
.... IPs from Russia have been hammering the site all week...

      :Tin-Foil-Hat:      :panic:
 
Interesting piece on Trump's version of conservatism

The Return of Street Corner Conservatism
Column: Donald Trump and the political philosophy of the Deplorables

     
BY: Matthew Continetti
December 23, 2016 5:00 am

Richard Nixon was plotting his 1968 presidential campaign when he received a letter from a high school English teacher in Pennsylvania. The correspondent, a young man named William F. Gavin, wasn’t certain Nixon would run. But he sure wanted him to. “You can win,” Gavin wrote. “Nothing can happen to you, politically speaking, that is worse than what has happened to you.”

Gavin cited Ortega y Gasset to explain why Nixon was uniquely suited to lead during the violence and uncertainty of the late 1960s. “You are,” he went on, “the only political figure with the vision to see things the way they are and not as Leftist and Rightist kooks would have them.”

The forceful and eloquent style of Gavin’s prose impressed top Nixon aide Patrick J. Buchanan. Gavin soon joined the nascent campaign, beginning a career writing speeches for the thirty-seventh president, for Senator Jim Buckley of New York, for Ronald Reagan, and for congressman Bob Michel, as well as composing novels, nonfiction books, and journalism. Gavin understood well the political realignment that brought city- and suburban-dwelling white working class ethnics—Irish, Italians, Greeks, Pols, and Slavs—rather tentatively into the Republican camp. “The Nixon aide who understood the Catholic opportunity best,” Buchanan wrote later, “was Bill Gavin, who had grown up Catholic and conservative, his views and values shaped by family, faith, and friends.”

I have been thinking about Gavin lately because his life and thought so perfectly capture the conservatism of Donald Trump. When you read Gavin, you begin to understand that the idea of Trump as a conservative is not oxymoronic. Trump is a conservative—of a particular type that is rare in intellectual circles. His conservatism is ignored or dismissed or opposed because, while it often reaches the same conclusions as more prevalent versions of conservatism, its impulses, emphases, and forms are different from those of traditionalism, anti-Communism, classical liberalism, Leo Strauss conservatism in its East and West Coast varieties, the neoconservatism of Irving Kristol as well as the neoconservatism of William Kristol, religious conservatism, paleo-conservatism, compassionate conservatism, constitutional conservatism, and all the other shaggy inhabitants of the conservative zoo.

Trump has always been careful to distinguish himself from what he calls “normal conservative.” He has defined a conservative as a person who “doesn’t want to take risks,” who wants to balance budgets, who “feels strongly about the military.” It is for these reasons, he said during the campaign, that he opposed the Iraq war: The 2003 invasion was certainly risky, it was costly, and it put the troops in a dangerous position, defending a suspicious and resentful population amid IEDs and sniper attacks. The Iraq war, in this view, is an example of conservative writers and thinkers and politicians following trains of logic or desire to un-conservative conclusions.

Nor is it the only example. Fealty to econometric models, Trump says, has led many conservatives as well as liberals to embrace a “dumb market” that gives mercantilist powers in Asia advantages over U.S. industry and labor. The rush to pass comprehensive immigration reform as a result of the elite consensus that immigration is an unmitigated good set the Republican Party leadership against its own voters. The desire to restrain entitlement spending through cuts rather than prolonging the lifespan of these programs through economic growth demoralizes Republican voters who count on their checks to arrive each month.

Indeed, Trump was so at variance with the mainstream of the intellectual conservative movement on these issues that he modified his political identity. “I really am a conservative,” he said last February. “But I’m also a commonsense person. I’m a commonsense conservative. We have to be commonsense conservatives. We have to be smart.” Common sense in this understanding is opposed to the theoretical and academic analysis that has led conservatives to nonsensical and unpopular positions because they are beholden to speculative conclusions or to creedal dogma.

Trump’s politics are grounded not in metaphysics but in what he understands to be the linguistic root of the term conservative. “I view the word conservative as a derivative of the word conserve,” he has said. “We want to conserve our money. We want to conserve our wealth. We want to conserve. We want to be smart. We want to be smart where we go, where we spend, how we spend. We want to conserve our country. We want to save our country.”

The conservatism of Donald Trump is not the conservatism of ideas but of things. His politics do not derive from the works of Burke or Disraeli or Newman, nor is he a follower of Mill or Berlin or Moynihan. There is no theory of natural rights or small government or international relations that claims his loyalty. When he says he wants to “conserve our country,” he does not mean conserve the idea of countries, or a league of countries, or the slogans of democracy or equality or freedom, but this country, right now, as it exists in the real world of space and time. Trump’s relation to the intellectual community of both parties is fraught because his visceral, dispositional conservatism leads him to judgments based on specific details, depending on changing circumstances, relative to who is gaining and who is losing in a given moment.

More at the link

http://freebeacon.com/columns/return-street-corner-conservatism/
 
President Trump has popped the bubble surrounding NYC for the first time in generations, and the people inside don't like it. NYC, like other Blue cities, exists as small geographical islands in a sea of Red. I'm sure they are mortally afraid of the rising tide drowning their islands and sweeping away their assumptions and world view.

I'm sure for Trump (who has been dealing with this sort of behaviour since the 1980's, when he first rose to prominence as a real estate and building powerhouse) is using this as great theatre to play to his base. He certainly knows how to play the media like a guitar.

Newt Gingrich made a speech about Trump and explained his reactions to the press were trained and honed in NYC, where the operative rule is to "get into the next edition", a media form of getting inside the OODA Loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3NN8-hXqCs
 
The left sure can't lose with any grace or dignity.  The left is crumbling and just can't figure out why. 
 
QV said:
The left sure can't lose with any grace or dignity.
As I once told my boys (before the training wife said I wasn't to discuss sportsmanship with them any more), "a good loser is still a loser."  ;)


Unless you referring specifically to Putin lecturing on how democracy works.... 
Putin to Dems: You lost, get over it

Edit to include Vlad's Christmas message.... ;D
 
Odds on Donald Trump being impeached shorten amid flurry of bets on President-elect not serving full term
Ladbrokes opened market on Trump leaving office early by impeachment or resignation at 3-1 but has twice cut its price as punters pile in
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-impeach-impeached-odds-shorten-president-elect-hotels-constitution-republican-latest-a7430441.html


Donald Trump Specials American
Donald Trump Specials
To leave office via impeachment or resignation before end of 1st term: 6/4
NOT to be re-elected as President in 2020: 4/7
To serve full term: 4/6

https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/american/specials/donald-trump-specials/222881036/


C.U.
 
mariomike said:
Considering the fact that the winner lost by about 3 million votes, I can't say that I am completely surprised.

If you remove California he still won the Electoral College and also the popular vote by ~1.5 million.

Clinton (w/ California): 65,844,610 - 232 College Votes
Clinton (w/o California):  57,090,822 - 177 College Votes

Trump (w/ California): 62,979,636 - 306 College Votes
Trump (w/o California): 58,495,826 - 306 College Votes

Democrats are pissed because California can't tell the rest of the US what to do.
 
mariomike said:
LOSER LOSER YOU'RE A LOSER!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8_7Orhey-g

That is pretty mean to go running down Clinton like that, she did her best.
 
PuckChaser said:
If you remove California he still won the Electoral College and also the popular vote by ~1.5 million.

Clinton (w/ California): 65,844,610 - 232 College Votes
Clinton (w/o California):  57,090,822 - 177 College Votes

Trump (w/ California): 62,979,636 - 306 College Votes
Trump (w/o California): 58,495,826 - 306 College Votes

Democrats are pissed because California can't tell the rest of the US what to do.

Kind of takes the wind out of everyone whining about the popular vote eh?
 
mariomike said:
Claim: Hillary Clinton's popular vote win in the presidential election came entirely from the state of California.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

Wow, that Snopes article reads as a desperate attempt to deflect away from the actual claim. Trump led the popular vote all night until California was counted, so the claim itself is factually correct. Its not a "mixture". Then they throw some red herrings in there about other random states.

Simple fact is Trump won over 50% of the states in the US, easily won the electoral college and popular vote in the US system is irrelevant.
 
Winning the counties and States is how you win an EC election:

 

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One of the websites Facebook is to use to arbitrate on 'fake news' is involved in a bitter legal dispute between its co-founders, with its CEO accused of using company money for prostitutes.

Snopes.com will be part of a panel used by Facebook to decide whether stories which users complain about as potentially 'fake' should be considered 'disputed'.

But the website's own troubles and the intriguing choice of who carries out its 'fact checks' are revealed by DailyMail.com, as one of its main contributors is disclosed to be a former sex-blogger who called herself 'Vice Vixen'.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fact-checker-arbitrate-fake-news-accused-defrauding-website-pay-prostitutes-staff-includes-escort-porn-star-Vice-Vixen-domme.html
 
More "Fake News"
 

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Thucydides said:
More "Fake News"

I can't wrap my head around it but I've seen left wing types argue that it's racist to point out those people are wrong doers.  They did that stuff because of racism they've felt and all the white privilege.  Basically white men made them do it.
 
Thucydides said:
More "Fake News"

I am curious about the thought process on the guy who spray painted the church, then burnt it down.

Why bother with the paint, if you are just going to torch the place?  :facepalm:
 
SeaKingTacco said:
I am curious about the thought process on the guy who spray painted the church, then burnt it down.

Why bother with the paint, if you are just going to torch the place?  :facepalm:
Really?  That's  the only heartache you have with their behaviour?      ;D
 
Thucydides said:
More "Fake News"
Interesting stories - is there a source for this?  After all, anyone can make up a graphic ...
Journeyman said:
Really?  That's  the only heartache you have with their behaviour?      ;D
:rofl:
 

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