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The Khadr Thread

TCBF said:
Depends.   Most successful program is to watch suspects, but kill terrorists.

Tom

That's fine.....let's watch them while they're in Pakistan or Egypt or elsewhere.....not in Scarborough.

I'm all for a tolerant society that allows various points of view, but as soon as you not only invite, but then protect the rights of a Fifth Column within your country whose primary cultural objective is to destroy your society, you have to draw a frigging line in the sand. 

This is political correctness at it's most absurd.

With governments seemingly hamstrung, I think it is inevitable at some point in time you're going to see an "Operation Swordfish"-like entity that starts taking matters into their own hands.



Matthew.    :salute:
 
There are a lot of American companies in Canada that would be easy targets for a terrorist cell to hit in lieu of having to try and crack American security.  They still sting American interests with virtually no trouble... food for thought.
 
Blackhorse7 said:
There are a lot of American companies in Canada that would be easy targets for a terrorist cell to hit in lieu of having to try and crack American security.   They still sting American interests with virtually no trouble... food for thought.

Except that terrorism is about creating terror.  Hitting a Canadian company might have a slight economic impact on the US, however, the majority of US citizens would be uneffected, and such an attack would only create more support for the "war on terror".  There's plenty of apologists out there claiming that the US "deserved" to be attacked.  What happens if the terrorists hit a country that not even these letie whackos could say has harmed them?  It wouldn't make any sense for them to target us if their goals is to harm the US.
 
It is a fact that the government will not admit, Canada second to the USA, has more terrorist factions than any other Western country. Due to our geography (close to the US) and our large immigrant population, Canada is an attractive home base for zealots. The terrorist operator or support cells can exist in relative anonymity in our large cities. It is, at times, impossible to discern who is a sympathizer or who the â Å“real dealâ ? is. The only way to defeat terrorism here in Canada is an competent intelligence agency and laws like the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act to hinder and make much to difficult to reside in Canada.
 
CH1 said:
Now Now, be nice or you will be branded a racist.   Remember they have more rights under the charter, than we do.   Heaven forbid if we violate these "rites". (spelling changed to change meaning of word)

A thought on the 'sleepers' lying in wait in Canada...

Call me old fashioned, old school or whatever, but its people like this who should just simply dissappear off the face of the earth. As for the govt, they should just say they have left the country to an undisclosed location (Davey Jones' Locker). I would not even blink if they were 'incinerated' in a single vehicle car accident. Ya gotta exercise cancers like this , not cave into it's every whim.

They should get no publicity at all. They would never be missed. A leopard can't change its spots, and the loyality this scum has for terrorism and its goals will never change.

But wait, the whinging left, and the govt will probably give them a new house, welfare, and a new computer to boot, maybe throw in a car too, what the hell. How about an appology with an invite for other terr family members to immigrate to Canada, and spread their hatred for us.

I hate this PC world. One day there will be a 180 degree turnaround with it all, but thats not going to happen in my lifetime.

This truly disgusts me.

Wes
 
This is response to Blackhorse7's post on 15 June. It is not a widely known fact, but the US Homeland Security and Canadian Border Agencies have access to each others databases. Watch for targets can be placed in each systems where subjects will be intercepted by either country. There is Canadian Law Enforcement Officers who work in their offices as they do in ours.

The Permanent Residents Cards are out there, unless you live in a border city, I doubt it would be a piece of ID the landed immigrant would carry day to day.

For those of you who think that 3 months is to long or why don't we kick them out or jail them etc. Why do that? Why not have constant surveillance on them. Find out who they call, who they talk to, who they socialize with and start files on them. I doubt the Khadr's can fart without it making it into a surveillance log somewhere.
 
Wesley H. Allen said:
A thought on the 'sleepers' lying in wait in Canada...

Call me old fashioned, old school or whatever, but its people like this who should just simply dissappear off the face of the earth. As for the govt, they should just say they have left the country to an undisclosed location (Davey Jones' Locker). I would not even blink if they were 'incinerated' in a single vehicle car accident. Ya gotta exercise cancers like this , not cave into it's every whim.

They should get no publicity at all. They would never be missed. A leopard can't change its spots, and the loyality this scum has for terrorism and its goals will never change.

But wait, the whinging left, and the govt will probably give them a new house, welfare, and a new computer to boot, maybe throw in a car too, what the heck. How about an appology with an invite for other terr family members to immigrate to Canada, and spread their hatred for us.

I hate this PC world. One day there will be a 180 degree turnaround with it all, but thats not going to happen in my lifetime.

This truly disgusts me.

Wes

wow I couldn't have said it better my self ..... I wouldn't mind if some of these terrorist cells happen to disappear off the face of the earth ...... Heres an Idea track down the cells then send them a card saying they won like a free trip to the white house but load them up in a bus and make a accident happen ....if you follow


Now don't be calling me a racist .... I enjoy other nations and other cultures ... but when those nations and cultures start blowing things up in my country I am not to happy about that....... Dam double  sided sword  :-\
 
JJaques,

I'm a current Police Officer, and I didn't even know that.  Good info.

That being said however, I'll run a scenario for you all.  True story, I might add.  I arrested a guy a couple of weeks ago.  He provided an alias that had a warrant.  When told this, he gave his "true" identity, and further warrants were found.  He said he had dual citizenship, but I had doubts.  It was the weekend, and I am not kidding, it took me three hours on the phone with Immigration, Canandian Citizenship Registry, and the Douglas Border Crossing to get anything on the guy.  And at the end of all that, nobody still could tell me if the guy had Canadian Citizenship or not.  Immigration would not extend a warrant to hold him, and the judge let him go. 

So, if you arrest a bad guy on the weekend, hope he's Canadian.
 
"So, if you arrest a bad guy on the weekend, hope he's Canadian.'

It does not matter what nationality he is.  If it happened in Canada, you can arrest him.  Were these 'Non Return Warrants'?  Meaning they won't pay to fly him back?  Obviosly, the guy didn't have a hooker in his trunk or anything..

Tom
 
After more thought, if this guy has warrants for anything alias or otherwise couldn't you hold him over the weekend?
 
Sorry, I should have clarified...

The warrants were all local unendorsed warrants, which for those not in the know means that I have to present the joker in front of a Justice of the Peace, and either seek further detention, or release.  We sought to hold him, but he can only be held over until such time as he can appear before a Judge.  That was Monday, and the Judge released him.  The immigration thing was entirely separate.  But you would think that in this day and age, particularly after 9 11 ( :salute:), that I should be able to call up a 24hr centre, give my badge number, and ask "Is this fool a Canadian?" and get a reply right on the spot.
 
Blackhorse7 said:
Sorry, I should have clarified...

The warrants were all local unendorsed warrants, which for those not in the know means that I have to present the joker in front of a Justice of the Peace, and either seek further detention, or release.   We sought to hold him, but he can only be held over until such time as he can appear before a Judge.   That was Monday, and the Judge released him.   The immigration thing was entirely separate.   But you would think that in this day and age, particularly after 9 11 ( :salute:), that I should be able to call up a 24hr centre, give my badge number, and ask "Is this fool a Canadian?" and get a reply right on the spot.

That's insane....

I'll second the "anonymous tip to newspaper/TV show" suggestion....



Matthew.  :salute:
 
I would do it, but I turned about as red as this screen, and ranted for two days straight about how sh**ty our security is since 9 11.  They would know it was me right away.  That day still burns in my mind.  I damn near quit and joined up in the CF again.
 
Cdn Blackshirt I can sympathize with your plight. Unfortunately Immigration is saddled with several rules and regulations dealing with privacy. In my neck of the woods there is good cooperation with Immigration-Customs-Police. That is something that would not happen here (I hope), but again when dealing with the Federal government bureaucracy...you never know. What I have done is foster some friendships/contacts with all concerned, so if I need confirmation or help with something I am working on most times it is a call away. What I can suggest is collect all the info and forward it to your local IBET team or Inland Immigration, but make sure it is Mon-Fri so you can be sure to get in contact with them....oh ya and not after 3pm they will be long gone!!!
 
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45279

Hollywood to fete
'son of al-Qaida'
Canadian jihadist tied to bin Laden
cashes in with movie deal
Posted: July 15, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


Abdurahman Khadr (courtesy: CBC)
A Hollywood film in the works will depict a Canadian formerly detained at Guantanamo as a reformed young man who now rejects terrorism and his family's ties to al-Qaida.

But there's evidence 21-year-old Abdurahman Khadr's true story doesn't fit the feel-good script proposed by Paramount Pictures, according to Andrew Walden, writing in FrontPage magazine.

Khadr is the son of Ahmed Saeed Khadr, a Canadian citizen whom the U.S. has accused of having direct ties to Osama bin Laden. He also is the brother of Omar Khadr, who, as WorldNetDaily first reported exclusively, is accused of killing a U.S. Special Forces medic.

Another brother is Abdullah Khadr, who, according to a Taliban spokesman, was the suicide bomber who killed Canadian Forces Corporal Jamie Murphy in Kabul Jan. 27.

Omar Khadr was released from the prison for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, because the U.S. had no charges and believed he no longer was an intelligence asset.

Abdurahman Khadr returned to Canada in October after he was captured in Afghanistan and escaped the CIA, with whom he had made a deal to provide information undercover. That included a stint as a prisoner at Guantanamo and a mission to Bosnia, where he abandoned the CIA by entering the Canadian embassy in Bosnia.

After returning home, Abdurahman admitted he had been trained at an "al-Qaida-related camp" for three months in 1998, but played down his family's suspected ties to bin Laden.

"There's lots of organizations in Afghanistan that are connected to al-Qaida, but are different," Khadr said in Toronto last December, according to Reuters. "It's not training to kill Americans, it's just training to go and fight against the Northern Alliance."

The movie deal, according to Daily Variety, employs Oscar-nominated screenwriter Keir Pearson to write the script.

Abdurahman could earn as much as $500,000 from the project, scheduled to debut next year. According to Variety, the film apparently will follow the storyline that makes Khadr "look best."

Vincent Newman, president of Vincent Newman Entertainment, which owns the rights, calls it a "classic black sheep story -- a story about the rebel of the family."

The producer is considering actor Johnny Depp as the lead, Variety says.

Incompatible with the facts?

But Walden says that while the "tale of a young rebel who never reconciled himself to his family's extremist ways may set the hearts of Hollywood producers aflutter ... it would be difficult to tell a story more incompatible with the facts of Khadr's life."

Walden points out that when the Taliban captured Kabul in 1996, the family moved from Canada to Afghanistan, where they could be closer to bin-Laden.

Abdurahman and his older brother Abdullah attended an al-Qaida training camp at Khalden, Afghanistan, where they received a grounding in terrorist ideology and weapons training.

The Khadr family was so close to bin Laden that eight months before the 9-11 attacks, the Khadrs attended the wedding of bin Laden's son, Mohammed.

In 1999, bin Laden attended the wedding of Abdurahman's sister Zaynab, who spoke openly of the family's connection to bin Laden in a February 2004 interview.

Describing bin-Laden as a family man who loves children, Zaynab stressed that "it was very important for him to sit with his kids every day at least for two hours in the morning after their morning prayer. They sit and read a book at least. It didn't have to be something religious. He loved poetry very much."

Abdurahman's brother, Abdullah, said of bin-Laden in a CBC News in March: "He never jokes, very quiet person, very polite," adding he can "be a saint, something like a saint. I see him as a very peaceful man."

Walden says Abdurahman appeared in "full confessional mode" in a CBC documentary on the Khadr family this spring, saying: "I admit it that we are an al-Qaida family. We had connections to al-Qaida." He also stressed that he disobeyed his father's directives to become a suicide bomber.

"I am a person that was raised to become an al-Qaida, was raised to become a suicide bomber, was raised to become a bad person, and I decided on my own that I do not want to be that," he has said.

But Walden finds many inconsistencies. After his 2002 capture in Afghanistan, Abdurahman was turned over to U.S. forces where in an interrogation he boasted close connections to the top echelons of al-Qaida leadership.

The CIA then offered a bonus of $5,000 for his cooperation and an additional monthly stipend of $3,000 for showing American investigators the locations of some al-Qaida members' former Kabul safe houses.

"Abdurahman agreed. The story of a chastened militant working with the U.S. in atonement for his past sins was born," says Walden. "But the story does not withstand serious scrutiny."

When Abdurahman's CIA handlers sent him to Bosnia a few months later, he became free of U.S. confinement for the first time and decided to get out, despite being showered with money.

Through the help of his grandmother and a lawyer, herself an al-Qaida sympathizer, Abdurahman made his way back to Toronto after walking away from the CIA and entering the Canadian embassy in Bosnia.

"Since then, Abdurahman has focused his energies on undermining U.S. efforts in the war on terror," Walden says.

Beyond complaining about the "unjust" treatment of his "al-Qaida family," he has taken to railing against the "harsh" conditions at Guantanamo Bay and claims that detainees are mostly harmless: "80 percent of people that went to Afghanistan. ... They've had enough. If you put them back in their countries they won't do anything."

Zaynab insists that her brother never had any intention of cooperating with the CIA:

"As long as he didn't really help them. If he did, I'd be really ashamed of him," she said. "If he just fooled them, I don't mind it. If he really did something, I'd be ashamed of him."

Abdurahman's mother Maha agrees: "He used his intelligence and it's okay," she said.

Abdurahman, for his part, has cast doubt on his made-for-T.V. conversion, Walden says.

"I'm my father's son," he explained in the CBC interview.

His father was killed in October 2003 in a gun battle with the Pakistani military.

In a recent interview, Abdurahman addressed his father's death. "To my father and to my mother, this is the ultimate in being an Islamic family because to them, dying all of us in the war against America, you know, is just being the top family because we all died in a way, you know, in fighting against American you know. Can you ask for more than that?"

The father was arrested in 1995 in connection with a bomb at the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad - a suicide attack that killed 17. According to the Ottawa Citizen, a Canadian Security Intelligence Service report says Khadr is "alleged to have moved ... money through" Human Concern International, a Canadian relief agency, "from Afghanistan to Pakistan to pay for the operation."

The Khadr family's relationship with the Canadian government was an embarrassment to former Prime Minister Jean Chretien, who once intervened on behalf of the father.

Chretien pressed then-Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto during a trade mission to give Khadr due process in Canada.
 
What's the title of the Film, Team America: World Police II?

Durka Durka.
 
Infanteer said:
What's the title of the Film, Team America: World Police II?

Durka Durka.

With Marionette dolls? I can hardly wait! This whole issue makes me pound on the keyboard, really hard, as I'm typing.
 
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