Reconstitution

[KevinB]

Maintenance of discipline is a function of the chain of command.

agreed

The policing workload wouldn't be huge and could be absorbed by civilian police at a small cost, particularly since they aren't dealing with the CAFisms.

I would suggest the CAF hire the RCMP for Contract Policing on posts, you would not need a lot of them at each base anyway.
But if you want a standard of enforcement etc, that is the only way to get it - you won't get that from Local LE
Plus there are bonuses to using Fed not Provincial or Municipal LE in terms of Security Clearance etc
You can use Commissionaires for domestic base access control if you don't want/need armed personnel, or if you wanted armed security - you can hire Brinks etc.

Service offences - see first point.

My solution is almost PY neutral and recovers a shit load of dollars spent on contracted security that can offset the costs of outsourced local police response to actual crimes and actual calls for service (which are few comparatively). It further takes all the security functions off the plates of those that are trained to do other jobs. (Bonus: DND/CAF can no longer be blamed for botched SA case files! Everyone wins.)

I'd say FP is FP... base, airfield, port security is the baseline. Support to Ops would include convoy/camp security details, PW handling... NCIU... Other specialist fields would include embassy security, CP, TASO, surveillance, perhaps NST if its rolled up. QRF, ERT, CAT type capabilities. Maybe dogs as a supporting function. Lots of interesting training and things to do, it would be a really cool and decent career. But only if it's done right, with lots of technology in support. And CAF/DND would actually get what they pay for.

I think you are trying to bunch too many things into one trade above, some already fall under CANSOFCOM.
By divesting the LE role - all investigations etc drop off the mandate - off the RCMP.

The you can look at the element specific needs - but you won't get any real value by having it a purple trade.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Sooo…. Air ops officers?

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Air Operations Support Technician | Canadian Armed Forces

forces.ca

 

[QV]

agreed

I would suggest the CAF hire the RCMP for Contract Policing on posts, you would not need a lot of them at each base anyway.
But if you want a standard of enforcement etc, that is the only way to get it - you won't get that from Local LE
Plus there are bonuses to using Fed not Provincial or Municipal LE in terms of Security Clearance etc
You can use Commissionaires for domestic base access control if you don't want/need armed personnel, or if you wanted armed security - you can hire Brinks etc.


I think you are trying to bunch too many things into one trade above, some already fall under CANSOFCOM.
By divesting the LE role - all investigations etc drop off the mandate - off the RCMP.

The you can look at the element specific needs - but you won't get any real value by having it a purple trade.

Agree RCMP would be the best choice to contract out the LE side.

The only thing I listed the MPs don't already do is NST, they had a few dogs but granted those might gone now too. CAT is a role within CP ops, ERT/QRF would be tailored to convoy and security ops.

We do agree the MPs should drop policing and do way better supporting the CAF.

 

[kev994]

And…

Air Operations Support Technician | Canadian Armed Forces

forces.ca

Oh right, I forgot about that solution looking for a problem. They’re finding work for them, but the way it rolled out seemed a little… odd.

 

[markppcli]

And…

Air Operations Support Technician | Canadian Armed Forces

forces.ca

Jesus, literally a GD trade

 

[Eagle_Eye_View]

How did we guard the nuclear weapons back in the day? Was it an MP role, or did the US provide the force protection along with the USAF Ordnance detachments?

My understanding was the US provided FP to safeguard the weapons. Canada was and still is part of the Treaty on the Non-Profilerstion of Nuclear Weapons.

 

[lenaitch]

agreed

I would suggest the CAF hire the RCMP for Contract Policing on posts, you would not need a lot of them at each base anyway.
But if you want a standard of enforcement etc, that is the only way to get it - you won't get that from Local LE
Plus there are bonuses to using Fed not Provincial or Municipal LE in terms of Security Clearance etc
You can use Commissionaires for domestic base access control if you don't want/need armed personnel, or if you wanted armed security - you can hire Brinks etc.

[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind that scenario would require numbers of RCMP (plus their own infrastructure and support) in jurisdictions where they don't current police, or do police but not in sufficient numbers. Any Base in Ontario and Quebec, Halifax, and possibly Esquimalt and Winnipeg come to mind. It's a little different than add one or two more members to a detachment that is already in place.

 

[FJAG]

Edited to add the Wisconsin base - pretty close to Winnipeg.

If you want close to Winnipeg then Minot North Dakota is your spot. Considering its strategic importance, it's also a prime target.

How did we guard the nuclear weapons back in the day? Was it an MP role, or did the US provide the force protection along with the USAF Ordnance detachments?

Very specialized US Nuclear Custodial Units. They existed not only for the various RCAF systems we had but also the Army's Honest Johns.

 

[Blackadder1916]

How did we guard the nuclear weapons back in the day? Was it an MP role, or did the US provide the force protection along with the USAF Ordnance detachments?

This from a Linkedin page

Commissioned in 1969. Served as Nuclear Security Officer in command of 53 Military Policemen at 446 Surface to Air Missile Squadron (SAM) at North Bay Ontario.

North Bay, ON Photos

 

[markppcli]

This from a Linkedin page

North Bay, ON Photos

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Nice to see he had time for a second job when he wasn’t chasing the Dukes of Hazard around.

 

[kev994]

Jesus, literally a GD trade

Yeah, when it rolled out the units literally got emails saying ‘we got you this new trade, what can they do?’ . I would have expected it to be done the other way around. They’ve been quite helpful, just seems like an odd way to implement it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Jesus, literally a GD trade

Yup. I worked with a RCN LogO who went Air Ops O. Next to RCAF food services officer I'm not sure which one seems like a better go.

RCAF techs don't like to do anything other than tech stuff.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Oh right, I forgot about that solution looking for a problem. They’re finding work for them, but the way it rolled out seemed a little… odd.

Not surprised, the CAF way is “decent to great idea, poor to very poor implementation”.

I am not sure if we have any on our Wing yet. AOO is on the go.

I thought they should have made the NCM one a Reg trade as well.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Not surprise, the CAF way is “decent to great idea, poor to very poor implementation”.

I am not sure if we have any on our Wing yet. AOO is on the go.

I thought they should have made the NCM one a Reg trade as well.

I didn't know it was a reserve only job. Interesting.

 

[FSTO]

If you want close to Winnipeg then Minot North Dakota is your spot. Considering its strategic importance, it's also a prime target.

Grand Forks SAC AFB is straight south of Winnipeg, Minot is south of Brandon.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Jesus, literally a GD trade

GD but ones that require some knowledge and trg and keep aircraft flying. Towing aircraft is a little different than hooking up to a water buffalo and driving off.

The duties listed are all important ones that need to be done, and ones that take techs away from their primary trade duties. There is a critical shortage of techs across the RCAF; I’m all for this trade but make it Reg force and sufficient PML.

Leave the AVN, AVS, ACS, and AWS folks focused on their important work that keeps serviceable aircraft on the line.

 

[SupersonicMax]

If you want close to Winnipeg then Minot North Dakota is your spot. Considering its strategic importance, it's also a prime target.

Except there is no facilities to house F-35 in Minot. The infrastructure requirements for F-35 are extremely stringent.

I would not be surprised, if we continue on the F-35 route, that the first couple of aircraft would go to a US base to pool with allied nations for conversion training.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I didn't know it was a reserve only job. Interesting.

I guess they thought there’s enough techs looking for Res positions to stay geo to fill it initially?

 

[FJAG]

Grand Forks SAC AFB is straight south of Winnipeg, Minot is south of Brandon.

Senior's moment considering that I lived in Brandon for thirty years and my kid went to university in Grand Forks for one.

 

[Quirky]

I guess they thought there’s enough techs looking for Res positions to stay geo to fill it initially?

Laughable thought to think people who retire/release and stay in cold lake will want to come back into the hell they left, with lower pay, crappier duties and be the punching bags of the AMO.