Phoenix Pay System - Shit's Horrible

[dapaterson]

You're paid two weeks in arrears, so your payment dated 17 April covers the period of 21 March - 03 April.  In theory, this means that changes can be actioned in advance of payment and not in arrears.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That bit is normal, just track your paycheques and if you both working at the same level, they can use your values to confirm what they aren't getting.

 

[NavyShooter]

And.....I got a payroll deposit for the expected amount this morning.

I'm actually quite surprised.

But pleased.

That said, no pension cheque yet, so I'm not a double-dipping civvie yet, just a single-dipper.  ;-)

 

[daftandbarmy]

And.....I got a payroll deposit for the expected amount this morning.

I'm actually quite surprised.

But pleased.

That said, no pension cheque yet, so I'm not a double-dipping civvie yet, just a single-dipper.  ;-)

Don't get used to it...

 

[dapaterson]

As long as you never work overtime, never take an acting assignment, never get promoted, and never get a pay incentive increase you're probably golden.

It's change of any sort, especially changes entered late, that derail the Phoenix.

By the time I get to Phoenix, she'll be rising
She'll find the note I left hanging on her door
She'll laugh when she reads the part that says
I'm leaving 'cause I've left that girl so many time before

 

[Haggis]

As long as you never work overtime, never take an acting assignment, never get promoted, and never get a pay incentive increase you're probably golden.

I got paid today!  A number of my co-workers didn't.

Since my acting pay (from 2016) is forecast for 01 May 2019 I may not be as upbeat on 02 May.

 

[dapaterson]

I once received acting pay a year later.  They very nicely withheld pension contributions for both the prior year and the current year.

I have yet to get that resolved... but it's only been two years...

 

[NavyShooter]

....and today, I am officially a double-dipping civvie.

I got my pension dropped into my account this morning.  I'm kind of shocked actually!

 

[dapaterson]

There's new online courses built by PSPC on How To Avoid Overpayments.

Interestingly enough, according to the course there's now a dedicated team to support pay centre workers with pay problems...

 

[FJAG]

This seems somehow appropriate here.

https://www.seattletimes.com/comics-universal/?amu=/dilbert/

:cheers:

 

[dapaterson]

...thus how TBS, whose Information Technology and Human Resources branches failed to provide oversight to the implementation of Phoenix, are now building its replacement...

 

[dapaterson]

Info on the tentative Phoenix settlement agreed to by most bargaining agents (less PSAC).

Joint statement: https://www.acfo-acaf.com/2019/05/07/joint-statement-federal-unions-approve-agreement-on-phoenix-damages/?fbclid=IwAR2UHxGCwbMfPvbCd7f23_-CBcLujwpA-Z6lGtyxBo7jvCnhcyKSh8hBYDo

"Eight things you need to know": https://www.pipsc.ca/news-issues/phoenix-pay-system/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-phoenix-compensation-agreement

 

[daftandbarmy]

Good news, job security for the people in this department

Phoenix pay grievances threaten to choke federal labour relations board

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/phoenix-pay-grievances-threaten-to-choke-federal-labour-relations-board


Meanwhile, the payment processes to IBM seem to be working smoothly:

Phoenix cost soars by another $137M, paid to IBM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-costs-137-million-ibm-1.5135545

 

[Remius]

Info on the tentative Phoenix settlement agreed to by most bargaining agents (less PSAC).

Joint statement: https://www.acfo-acaf.com/2019/05/07/joint-statement-federal-unions-approve-agreement-on-phoenix-damages/?fbclid=IwAR2UHxGCwbMfPvbCd7f23_-CBcLujwpA-Z6lGtyxBo7jvCnhcyKSh8hBYDo

"Eight things you need to know": https://www.pipsc.ca/news-issues/phoenix-pay-system/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-phoenix-compensation-agreement

interesting.  we'll see what PSAC gets.

The impact on me has been minimal.  My wife was owed 30,000$.  Was solved recently more or less.  Luckily our finances were strong enough to weather this garbage.

5 days as overall compensation and compensation for sick leave for those affected seems fair to an extent.  it's the case by case issues that are the bigger problem.

 

[Good2Golf]

Although a 6900% increase from the initial cost estimate is “not insignificant,” whoever thought you could design and implement a pay management system for $46 per employee should not have any place of responsibility in the organization.
:2c:

Regards
G2G

 

[dapaterson]

More information on the Phoenix Compensation Agreement.

https://www.pipsc.ca/news-issues/phoenix-pay-system/phoenix-compensation-agreement-faqs?fbclid=IwAR1Cq5lQWC9gaUMVlz9xQPhRFaqWS8ULZcDdPcvmIAtdwFKonZGVYz4NW1Q

Of interest, members of the various unions will not get a vote  - their leadership has signed the deal as a resolution to grievances; it's not part of the collective agreements.

 

[dapaterson]

And the compensation agreement has been posted online: https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/topics/pay/phoenix-pay-system/damages-caused-phoenix-pay-system.html

Interest to be paid on late payments appears to be between 3.75% and 5% (bank rate plus 3%).  So, to reach the $1500 minimum to be eligible, someone will need to be out between $30-40K for one year (or proportionate amounts over a longer period of time).  Seems to be a rather steep incline, designed to minimize the amount that will actually be paid out.

Of course, there are other grounds for filing claims, but I expect the attitude of "we'll pay you when we feel like it, and nothing is our fault" will persist...

 

[Good2Golf]

I hope that PSAC and PIPSC members remember this come October. Four years is enough time to do something more than say they’re doing something.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I hope that PSAC and PIPSC members remember this come October. Four years is enough time to do something more than say they’re doing something.

That would be great, however:

"In bureaucratic organizations, those closest to the customer feel least empowered."

https://www.inc.com/new-research-shows-how-damaging-your-companys-bureaucracy-is-do-this-1-thing-to-counter.html

 

[Remius]

I hope that PSAC and PIPSC members remember this come October. Four years is enough time to do something more than say they’re doing something.

True but they certainly remember who caused the mess.