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Malaysia Airliner Disappearance

Jim Seggie said:
It was them ruskkies I tell ya!

Good one though!

No, no, no.... the plane was hijacked by the CIA to Diego Garcia where it is being reconfigured to launch a chemtrail offensive on freedom loving gun owners south of the Mason-Dixon line as part of the New World Order depopulation agenda.

If you don't believe me, just go outside and look up in the sky:


Most people discover the reality of chemtrails by initially reading about it on the Internet and then going outside and looking up into the sky. They are shocked to realize that what they had been reading about (and studying photographs of) is also taking place right over their heads. What some people had dismissed as mere "jet plane exhaust" (because there are now scores of internet propaganda web sites trying to convince you that 'everything is well' and 'there's nothing to be alarmed about' and that unaccountable 'jet plane exhaust'  plumes are magically being converted into horizon-to-horizon overcasts of "cirrus clouds" !) are dismayed to realize that chemtrails are indeed the toxin-laden aerosols that have been described here and at other web sites since 1998 and they are not being sprayed for any benign or national security reason as the disinformation peddlers would have you believe. Nothing brings home the comprehension of the New World Order depopulation agenda than the realization that you and your family are also on the "useless eaters" (Henry Kissinger) elimination list.

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/
 
Kat Stevens said:
I say North Korean stealth jets forced it below the radar, and it's sitting under cam nets on some abandoned airfield in NK.  Hey, as good a theory as any,
That's another possibility. Something is definitely not kosher here.

remember if you don't hear a good rumour before noon, start one.
Have we sailed together?  :nod: That was the unofficial motto of HMCS Vancouver.

 
daftandbarmy said:
No, no, no.... the plane was hijacked by the CIA to Diego Garcia where it is being reconfigured to launch a chemtrail offensive on freedom loving gun owners south of the Mason-Dixon line as part of the New World Order depopulation agenda.....

And there we have it. The conspiracy freaks are on it now.

Those "chemtrails" as you call them are an anti-icing additive called 100ad. It allows jets to fly higher; nothing else. Get over it!
 
AirDet said:
And there we have it. The conspiracy freaks are on it now.

Those "chemtrails" as you call them are an anti-icing additive called 100ad. It allows jets to fly higher; nothing else. Get over it!
Not true.  they are indeed additives but they are placed in so airlines can earn extra income through skywriting.
 
Having to take an airline trip and listening to the 24 hr news cycle at the airport on this was pretty unnerving (and I have taken enough flights over the years to think of flying as transit rather than an adventure, especially if flying Air Canada).

Some informed speculation in the National Post and Globe and Mail, suggesting that the passengers and crew may have blacked out quickly if the plane depressurized for any reason (continuing to fly until it ran out of fuel), or perhaps suffered a catastrophic failure in flight, essentially disintegrating high in the air, hence not leaving a debris field in the ocean since the pieces would be scattered so far.

The only thing that seems certain is the plane did not go down near its projected flight path. I'm pretty sure the answer, when it comes, will be far more surprising than we have probably guessed so far.
 
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 hijacked, official claims
Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-hijacked-official-claims-1.2573080

Investigators have concluded that one or more people with significant flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, switched off communication devices and steered it off-course, a Malaysian government official involved in the investigation said Saturday.

No motive has been established and no demands have been made known, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media. The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory.

"It is conclusive," he said.

The Boeing 777's communication with the ground was severed just under one hour into a flight March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian officials have said radar data suggest it may have turned back toward and crossed over the Malaysian peninsula after setting out on a northeastern path toward the Chinese capital.

Earlier, an American official told The Associated Press that investigators are examining the possibility of "human intervention" in the plane's disappearance, adding it may have been "an act of piracy."

While other theories are still being examined, the U.S. official said key evidence suggesting human intervention is that contact with the Boeing 777's transponder stopped about a dozen minutes before a messaging system on the jet quit. Such a gap would be unlikely in the case of an in-flight catastrophe.
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The Tin Foil Hat gang - mainly me, in fact only me, still says it's Russian plot hatched by Uncle Vladimir to avert our attention for the Crimea.

In Russia you no hijack plane, plane hijack you? :Tin-Foil-Hat: :Tin-Foil-Hat:
 
More hints that something very strange has happened:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/jet-was-hijacked-malaysian-official-tells-ap/2014/03/15/ec7397d6-abff-11e3-af5f-4c56b834c4bf_story.html

Missing airliner may have flown on for 7 hours

By Chico Harlan, Ashley Halsey III and Annie Gowen,    Updated: Saturday, March 15, 7:55 AM E-mail the writers

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that a missing passenger jet was steered off course after its communications systems were intentionally dismantled and could have potentially flown for seven additional hours.

In the most comprehensive account to date of the plane’s fate, Najib drew an ominous picture of what happened aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, saying investigators had determined there was “deliberate action by someone on the plane.”


(LARIS KARKLIS AND RICHARD JOHNSON/THE WASHINGTON POST/Sources: Boeing.com, Flightaware.com, the Aviation Herald and news reports) - New twist in the hunt for missing plane


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<caption> The search for the missing Malaysian jetliner expanded after U.S. officials said it emitted signals to satellites for hours after its last contact with air traffic control nearly a week ago. </caption> 

The search for the missing Malaysian jetliner expanded after U.S. officials said it emitted signals to satellites for hours after its last contact with air traffic control nearly a week ago.
   
Najib said the investigation had “refocused” to look at the crew and passengers. A Malaysia Airlines representative, speaking to relatives of passengers in Beijing, said the Malaysian government had opened a criminal investigation into the plane’s disappearance.

The plane’s whereabouts remain unknown one week after it disappeared from civilian radar shortly after takeoff from Kuala Lumpur. But Najib, citing newly analyzed satellite data, said the plane could have flown along two paths: one stretching from northern Thailand toward the Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan border, the other, more southern path stretching from Indonesia to the remote Indian Ocean.

Though previously U.S. officials believed the plane could have remained in the air for several extra hours, Najib said Saturday that the flight was still communicating with satellites until 8:11 a.m. — seven and a half hours after takeoff, and more than 90 minutes after it was due in Beijing. There was no further communication with the plane after that time, Najib said. If the plane was still in the air, it would have been nearing its fuel limit.

“Due to the type of satellite data,” Najib said, “we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite.”

The new leads about the plane’s path, though ambiguous, have drastically changed a search operation involving more than a dozen nations. Malaysia on Saturday said that efforts would be terminated in the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea, the spot where the plane first disappeared from civilian radar.

Malaysian authorities are now likely to look for help from other countries in Southeast and South Asia, seeking mysterious or unidentified readings that their radar systems might have picked up.

If the plane traveled along the southern path, according to a document provided by the Malaysian government, it would have spent nearly all of its flight time over the Indian Ocean as it headed to an area west of Australia. But if the plane traveled the northern path, it would present a more perplexing scenario: that it evaded detection for hours while flying through volatile region where airspace is heavily monitored. Myanmar, Pakistan, India and Afghanistan, and western China are all in the neighborhood of that path, as is the U.S.’s Bagram Air Base.

“Given the strong radar system that we have, and also that India and other countries in the region have, it’s very difficult for a plane to fly undetected for so long,” said Abid Qaimkhan, a spokesman for Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority. He added that Pakistan has not yet been asked by Malaysia to share its radar data, but will provide it if asked.

Malaysia has confirmed that a previously unknown blip picked up by its military radar was indeed MH370. That blip suggests the plane had cut west, across the Malaysian peninsula, after severing contact with the ground. Malaysia received help in analyzing that radar data from the United States’ National Transportation Safety Board, Federal Aviation Administration, and the British Air Accident Investigation Branch.

Malaysian investigators now believe that the Boeing-777 jet, bound for Beijing with 227 passengers, deliberately cut a series of communications systems as it headed toward the boundary of Malaysian airspace. U.S. officials and aviation experts say the plane could have been hijacked by somebody with aviation knowledge or sabotaged by a crew member.

Investigators have not yet presented a clear scenario of what could have happened on board. Reuters reported that Malaysian police on Saturday searched the home of the plane’s captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, who had more than three decades of commercial flight experience. A senior Malaysian police official refused to confirm the search.

Zaharie had a flight simulator at his home, something that appeared in a YouTube video posted from his unconfirmed YouTube account. Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said Friday that “everyone is free to do their own hobby,” and that it isn’t unusual for pilots to have home simulators.

U.S. officials have said that the plane, shortly after being diverted, reached an altitude of 45,000 feet and “jumped around a lot.” But the airplane otherwise appeared to operate normally. Significantly, the transponder and a satellite-based communication system did not stop at the same time, as they would if the plane had exploded, disintegrated or crashed into the ocean.

Najib said on Saturday that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, was disabled just as MH370 reached the eastern coast of Malaysia. The transponder was then switched off, Najib said, as the aircraft neared the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace.

According to the Malaysian government, a satellite that tracked the aircraft was located more than 22,000 miles above sea level. Even after the ACARS system was disconnected, the satellite still received some basic signal from the plane — what one U.S. official described as a “handshake.” Though no data was being transmitted, the satellite continued to reach out to the plane on an hourly basis and received confirmation that the plane was still flying.

“There’s no circuit breaker that would allow you to shut off the handshake,” the official said.

That satellite handshake took place on a system operated by Inmarsat, a British satellite company that provides global mobile telecommunications services.

U.S. officials declined to say how closely that handshake allowed them to track the path of the missing plane.

Najib said Saturday that the search for MH370 had entered a “new phase.” The U.S. Navy, already positioned to the west of the Malaysian peninsula, was planning to meet tonight to discuss whether and how to redeploy its assets, spokesman Cmdr. William Marks said.

Indian officials said Saturday morning that they were still awaiting new orders in response to the Malaysian prime minister’s statement that the official search focus shift from the South China Sea to the two “corridors” west of Malaysia.

“Nothing is certain. These are all probabilities,” said Captain D.K. Sharma, a spokesman for the India Navy. “Let the new orders come. Let’s see how we respond.”

India has now expanded its search from the area around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands — where five vessels and four planes have been deployed — to the north and west, by adding four additional aircraft to scour the massive Bay of Bengal — two P-8I anti-submarine and electronic intelligence planes and three other military aircraft, including a C-130J and two Dorniers. Search teams from the Indian military had spent much of the day Friday searching the jungles on remote islands of the Andaman and Nicobar archipelago, most of which are uninhabited, but so far have come up empty.

Other nations along the Bay of Bengal are now the expanding search as well. Gowher Rizvi, an adviser to Bangladesh’s prime minister Sheikh Hasina, said that country had deployed two aircraft and two frigates in the Bay of Bengal.


Harlan reported from Kuala Lumpur, and Gowen reported from New Delhi. Liu Liu contributed from Beijing. Tim Craig contributed from Pakistan, Adam Goldman and Sari Horwitz contributed from Washington and Rama Lakshmi contributed from New Delhi.
 
So, now, the revived question is who hijacked it and why?

I find it hard to believe that hijackers sophisticated enough to breach security on the ground, breach the cockpit, disable/subdue the crew and passengers (was there an Air Marshal on board?) shut down the communications systems and evade both civilian and military surveillance systems would simply crash the aircraft, either by design or accident.  Someone has it, somewhere, for a yet to be stated purpose.
 
It's not inconceivable to imagine a plane being hijacked and then hidden from public view.  Look at it's potential flight range, look at all the countries around that area that have some sort of internal security problem or are rogue states and you have a recipe where a plane could be seized and then flown to an airstrip and hidden in a hangar from view.  Load that plane up with explosives and you now have one gigantic bomb on your hands.

I just read the following in a Time Magazine article published a little over three hours ago:

Satellite data confirms that the plane turned to fly in a westerly direction soon after reaching the South China Sea. Two “corridors” have been identified where the plane may have flown: a northern sector around the borders of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and northern Thailand; and a southern sector stretching from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean. Search efforts will now be concentrated in these vast expanses.

The news resurrects the possibility that the aircraft might have landed safely. Captain Ross Aimer, an aviation consultant who was formerly an instructor for the 777, told TIME that a pilot with “considerable skill and experience” could land the aircraft in as little as 3,000 ft (900 m) of space. “It’s conceivable that if this was a calculated set-up they may have an old military field somewhere in the middle of some jungle,” he said. “You could even land it on a beach or small strip of land.”

Rest of the article is located here:

http://time.com/25999/missing-jet-highjacked-say-officials/

 
RoyalDrew said:
  Load that plane up with explosives and you now have one gigantic bomb on your hands.
That is exactly where my mind went.........
 
Authorities got around to searching the home of the pilot- today. :eek:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/15/malaysia-airlines-search-heads-toward-indian-ocean/
 
tomahawk6 said:
Authorities got around to searching the home of the pilot- today. :eek:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/15/malaysia-airlines-search-heads-toward-indian-ocean/

We are only getting bits and pieces of the story as it's clearly become a national security issue.  We have a large plane that is missing and we have no clue where it is.  I believe there is far more to this story then we are being told  :Tin-Foil-Hat:
 
RoyalDrew said:
We are only getting bits and pieces of the story as it's clearly become a national security issue.  We have a large plane that is missing and we have no clue where it is.  I believe there is far more to this story then we are being told  :Tin-Foil-Hat:

The mystery has evolved to the point where we will likely never know all the details. People will simply draw their own conclusions which official sources will neither confirm or deny, citing "national security".  Stock prices for tinfoil will skyrocket.
 
More speculation on what may have happened:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/03/16/malay-mystery/?singlepage=true

Malay Mystery

One of our planes is missing. Here are four possible explanations.
by
Charlie Martin

March 16, 2014 - 12:38 pm

One of our planes is missing.

That’s basically all we know for certain right now, but more than a week after losing contact with flight MH370, there are a lot of other suggestive bits of information. Unfortunately, a lot of it is, as usual, being reported by news readers who barely understand that you don’t want to keep the pointy end aimed at the ground for an extended time. Here’s some things we do know now.

The first indication of trouble was when the transponder stopped responding to radar. This is the point where newspeople are saying it “dropped off the radar,” so let’s get a little clarity here to start. A transponder is a device that transmits a response. In a plane, the transponder is receiving an interrogation and responding by transmitting a burst of data. The problem with “dropped off the radar” from the start is that all it indicated was that the transponder stopped transponding. Imagine for a second that you’re trying to find someone in the dark. If you have a flashlight, you can use the flashlight, and hopefully see them in the reflected light. This, in radar, is called a primary radar response. It’s a lot easier, though, if the person you’re looking for has a flashlight too, and can turn it on and wave back at you with it. This is what a transponder does, and it’s the major part of what’s called secondary surveillance radar.

When MH370 “dropped off the radar,” the transponder stopped responding. But transponders have an off switch. There are two independent transponders, so it isn’t probable just that it was just a transponder failure.

It didn’t disappear from primary radar, but primary radar is a lot harder to read. They now think that they might have tracked the plane as it turned back, did some vertical excursions, and headed off into the Indian Ocean.

Turning off the transponders didn’t stop all radio transmissions, however. There is an onboard flight telemetry system that kept transmitting for a long time, as much as seven hours. It’s very difficult to crash and have the telemetry transmissions keep going, so the combination is a pretty strong indication that the transponders turned off but the plane kept flying.

Unfortunately, Malaysia Airlines doesn’t pay for the service, so the only responses were pings saying “nothing to say.” But those pings are timestamped, and that means you can estimate the distance from the satellite to the aircraft by the time the signal arrives at the satellite. Now, PJ is ill-equipped to show a three-dimensional picture, so instead imagine a map. There’s one circle centered on the last known position, which is how far the plane could have flown in seven hours. There’s another circle centered on the satellite, which is all the places that are the estimated distance from the satellite. (Strictly, that’s the surface of a sphere, but we can discount the parts of the sphere that are underground.)

This, by the way, is how GPS works: your GPS receives very accurate time signals from several satellites and computes where all the circles intersect; that’s where you are.

The result is something that looks like this:

That line is actually fuzzy, because that distance to the satellite isn’t known as accurately as say a GPS signal would be, but the last transmission does mean the plane was somewhere near that circle when it stopped sending telemetry.

So, now is the part of Malay Mystery in which we speculate.

As far as I can see, there are about four possible explanations.

First, something happened that incapacitated the pilots, and the plane flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel. This has happened before, in the crash that killed Payne Stewart, although not on a commercial jetliner. The way it apparently happened in the Payne Stewart accident was decompression.

This is fairly unlikely just as an accident on a commercial jet because the pilots have oxygen masks immediately available — but more speculation is coming.

There is a story today that there was a “supergrass” — which is Brit for a highly-placed informant apparently — who described a plot for four or five people to take over a plane by blowing open the cabin door with a shoe bomb. So, let’s imagine that this is what happened. The door blows open, and cabin pressure is lost. The pilots, being a little bit distracted and busy, don’t get their masks on. Everyone passes out — and shortly dies at that altitude. The bodies rattling around in the cockpit cause the plane to make some uncontrolled maneuvers until the autopilot finally stabilizes. I explain the second possibility on the next page.

Second, someone who knew the plane hijacked or diverted the flight. Could be a pilot, could be someone else. (In another piece today, Rick Moran speculates about the captain. I don’t think this seems very likely — guys my age aren’t the most common suicide drivers/bombers/attackers. This guy had a flight simulator setup that he actually bragged about on YouTube, but them a lot of my pilot friends do. My dad had one after he could no longer actually fly. All it’s evidence of is that ther Malaysian captain was an airplane nut, which is what you’d expect of someone with 18,000 hours.)

Now, this hypothetical hijacker basically could have one of several motivations. So possibility 2a is that they wanted to crash the plane. It seems to me that if this is what you want, you don’t fly all day before you do it, so I think this seems unlikely.

Possibility 2b is that the hijackers want the plane itself. In this option they fly somewhere equipped to let a 777 land and take off again. To do that, you need a fairly long runway, 7000 feet or more.

Possibility 2c is that they wanted the passengers as hostages, or — putting on our fiction-writing hats — they want someone or something on the plane and don’t care about the (other) passengers. In that case, they only have to get somewhere where they can land the plane. It turns out that as long as you don’t care about taking off again, that can be done in around 3000 feet of runway.

Possibility 2b — that they wanted the plane and landed — is an unpleasant one. As several people have pointed out, a 777 and a dirty bomb or a North Korean wet-firecracker atomic bomb could make a right mess. But you can bet that there is satellite imagery being taken and analyzed with some urgency — I suspect that an intact plane would have been spotted. (But maybe not, see below.)

So that leads us to possibility 2c, which would make a good thriller sort of movie, which I’ll explain on the next page.
The story opens with the plot to take the plane, and the precipitating event — what Syd Field called “plot point 1″ — is when the hijackers take control. They’re now flying the plane, and they want to land successfully but don’t care about taking off again.

It turns out that arc includes a good bit of Xin Jiang province — which is where the Uyghurs live — as well as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Pakistan. But to get to those places, you have to fly across a good bit of China.

So, there’s the flight, trying to tiptoe along the frontier to get to a -stan. No transponder, but they’re picked up by primary radar response from Chinese air defenses. CAPT Li, the officer on duty, calls COL Wang, the unit commander. “OMG there’s an unidentified” — transponder’s off, remember — “big plane crossing into our air space.”

In the U.S., we’d intercept and have a look. I’ve got no idea what the terms of engagement might be in the People’s Liberation Army Air Force, but I’m betting they are a little sensitive about unidentified aircraft coming in from the whole Vietnam/Myanmar/South China Sea area. It think it’s entirely possible that COL Wang on his own authority says “so shoot it down.” PLAAF intercepts it and shoots it down, leaving debris and bodies scattered over the terrain.

Then someone, maybe someone in Beijing, puts two and two together — possibly after someone has gotten to the debris field and found something that identifies the plane. Now what?

It’s going to be terribly embarrassing to admit to shooting down a hijacked passenger plane. It would cause everyone involved to “lose face” — and as horrible a cliché as that is, “losing face”, 丢脸 diu4 lian3, “humiliation,” is a very bad thing in China.

Let’s recall that not too long after the disappearance, “unauthorized” satellite pictures were released showing what was said to be debris. That sent searchers off for at least a half day on what turned out to be a wild goose chase.

In my thriller-movie plot, that time would have been spent sending a whole division of the People’s Liberation Army to the crash site, and policing up the debris field.

Now, I don’t know how probable this is. I talked to some of my friends in the intelligence community, and one of them who is more or less a China specialist suggested that if the Chinese had downed the plane, they would instead be exhibiting a lot of belligerence about it, and pointing to their exclusion zones in the South China Sea, saying “don’t mess with us.” Another friend with more of an interest in Central Asia points out that as long as you could expect or extort co-operation from airport personnel, the obvious place to hide a 777 would be an airport. Land, pull into a hangear, easy-peasy.

So this may be just the fiction-writing part of my brain putting out a plot.

It’s sure an interesting plot, however.
 
I've noticed a distinct lack of reporting about the one possibility that no one really wants to acknowledge. :alien:
 
cupper said:
I've noticed a distinct lack of reporting about the one possibility that no one really wants to acknowledge. :alien:

May I send you some of my tin foil?

I spoke with a friend of mine who is in the airline industry. He said he'd bet dollars to donuts it's at the bottom of the ocean.
 
Jim Seggie said:
May I send you some of my tin foil?

I spoke with a friend of mine who is in the airline industry. He said he'd bet dollars to donuts it's at the bottom of the ocean.

Thanks Jim. I'm full up.

I have to agree, that the plane is in the deepest depths of the Indian Ocean.

One question I have is how much more would it add to the cost of a commercial aircraft to add a transponder system located in an inaccessible section if the aircraft, with an independent power source (and / or backup) that would continually broadcast GPS location info via satellite to ground stations?

It would seem that this would be a relatively inexpensive solution to the problem we are seeing now, that it would not be that hard to make a plane disappear. Even for the event that if there was a catastrophic electrical failure that knocked out the main transponder systems along with the comms, this would at least give a tamperproof way of tracking the aircraft up to (or beyond) the point where the aircraft breaks up. Would make the search effort much easier.
 
Everything on an aircraft needs a breaker.  Because if something is shorting out you need to cut off power NOW, not several hours from now when you reach a place to land.

And electronic systems like transponders need a "reset" for when (not if) they go wonky.

Besides, transponders are next to useless when you're flying over an ocean; there's little to no radar coverage there, so it won't help.

I'd recommend going to Ask The Pilot and reading his take on this; lots of useful information to replace unfounded, uninformed speculation.
 
dapaterson said:
..... lots of useful information to replace unfounded, uninformed speculation.
  You want to bring in......facts?!  :eek:rly:


Like Courtney Love's insights

National Post: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 found by Courtney Love? 
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