LPC leadership race - 2025

[Remius]

Would you consider them contestants though?

Yes. Why wouldn’t they be?

Gould openly talked shit about the Liberal Party in her vote for me emails to party members. She's since toned down and it's as if everyone is reading off the same page. Kind of like they're trying to give the impression of choice for the next party leader.

That may also be language issue as maybe none of them are that comfortable in French to do that. Either way I prefer parties debate policy with themselves rather than self destruct and provide their opponents fodder in a larger election run.

I can see a slip up on wording speaking French but Carney completely flipped his positiin on using emergency powers when speaking in Quebec. THAT didn't seem very accidental.

Speaking on both sides of the language isle isn’t new.

 

[Remius]

You realize he wants to use Canadian tax payers money to rebuild Gaza? Terrible idea. I don't know if he brought it up last night (I only caught the highlights)

Didn’t hear that. But his plan for economic ties with UK, NZ and Australia caught my attention.

 

[ArmyRick]

Didn’t hear that. But his plan for economic ties with UK, NZ and Australia caught my attention.

I am all for opening global trade outside the USA, not China or Russia (If you listen to Pierre Poilievre, this is what he stated as part of his plan weeks ago)

Frank a few weeks ago talked about this (rebuilding Gaza). Take note Montreal has a large number of Palestinian refugees/immigrants

 

[Jarnhamar]

Yes. Why wouldn’t they be?

I've still still convinced they've been told who the next party leader is and they better go along with it.

The Liberals, known for the importance they put in ethics, really rushed Dhalla out of there before she could speak at the debate.

That may also be language issue as maybe none of them are that comfortable in French to do that.

Sure but even Carneys team admitted to "mixed messaging" and not a wrongly translated word when speaking about pipelines. That was intentionally disinformation they got called on.

Either way I prefer parties debate policy with themselves rather than self destruct and provide their opponents fodder in a larger election run.

Did they end up disagreeing about anything?

 

[Remius]

I've still still convinced they've been told who the next party leader is and they better go along with it.

The Liberals, known for the importance they put in ethics, really rushed Dhalla out of there before she could speak at the debate.

Possibly. Dhalla though was not a serious candidate in any reality.

Sure but even Carneys team admitted to "mixed messaging" and not a wrongly translated word when speaking about pipelines. That was intentionally disinformation they got called on.

I was referring to his Hamas I speak. But yes. I hear mixed messaging all the time from all sides so not overily concerned. I’d like there to be none but that’s a pipe dream.

Did they end up disagreeing about anything?

Not really. How to handle Trump a bit. But nothing earth shattering. And some pushback on Freeland’s experience in dealing with Trump. Gould and Carney. Oth saying the Trump of today isn’t the same Trump today.

Honestly I suspect you are looking at Carmey and his top cabinet ministers at that debate.

 

[ModlrMike]

Honestly I suspect you are looking at Carmey and his top cabinet ministers at that debate.

This presupposes that they form the next government.

 

[RangerRay]

I think the only ones upset about Dhalla being punted are Tory supporters and Ruby Dhalla. Kinda like when Patrick Brown was punted, only Patrick Brown and Liberal supporters were concerned.

I believe parties should have the power to ditch candidates they don’t want for any reason.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I believe parties should have the power to ditch candidates they don’t want for any reason.

Thats a blank cheque I wouldn't trust any political party with.

 

[Furniture]

I believe parties should have the power to ditch candidates they don’t want for any reason.

I think if our government is going to rebuild any trust from Canadians, the parties need to be as open and honest as possible about who they allow to run under their banner, and how they choose their leaders.

The idea of a cabal of unelected backroom insiders choosing who can even vote for in elections is quite undemocratic. It undermines people's confidence in the power of the electorate, which means less people feel the government is legitimate.

 

[Remius]

I think if our government is going to rebuild any trust from Canadians, the parties need to be as open and honest as possible about who they allow to run under their banner, and how they choose their leaders.

The idea of a cabal of unelected backroom insiders choosing who can even vote for in elections to be repellant is quite undemocratic. It undermines people's confidence in the power of the electorate, which means less people feel the government is legitimate.

Sure but they did provide their reasoning. Whether one accepts it or not is another issue.

 

[Furniture]

Sure but they did provide their reasoning. Whether one accepts it or not is another issue.

I was responding to the line I quoted, not the overall situation in the LPC leadership race.

I agree that if there was something that seemed a bit off, the best bet was to be open about it and remove the candidate. Under normal circumstances they would have had more time to vet candidates, but due to the current leader dragging their heels, the race is quick and dirty.

 

[dapaterson]

The idea of a cabal of unelected backroom insiders choosing who can even vote for in elections to be repellant is quite undemocratic. It undermines people's confidence in the power of the electorate, which means less people feel the government is legitimate.

PSAC's elections enter the chat...

 

[ArmyRick]

PSAC's elections enter the chat...

Serious question, is this the union that Fred Hahn was running?

 

[ArmyRick]

I believe parties should have the power to ditch candidates they don’t want for any reason.

True to that however they assume the risk of the consequences of their actions.

How many people of Indian descent are not going to be impressed with this ditch Dhalla decision? After Chandra got the heave ho as well. Doesn't matter what the reason will be to some, its the optics that may very well burn them out of more voters in the election that matters.

 

[dapaterson]

Serious question, is this the union that Fred Hahn was running?

It was Chris Alyward who took them out on strike in April 2023. He has since stepped down, and his VP was elected president.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Possibly. Dhalla though was not a serious candidate in any reality.

I agree with you. I'd like to see Liberal voters decide that and not the Liberal mafia, but I suppose they need some kinda control measures for when people with alterior motives join.

Do you suppose if Carney violated party rules he would be kicked out? Or would they have found a way to keep him in the running?

Apparently the Liberal party isn't giving back the money from her entrance fee or money she raised either. Good timing.

I was referring to his Hamas I speak. But yes. I hear mixed messaging all the time from all sides so not overily concerned. I’d like there to be none but that’s a pipe dream.

This seemed really blatant. To channel my inner Clarke "Its just a lie,whats the big deal?"

Honestly I suspect you are looking at Carmey and his top cabinet ministers at that debate.

Like I suspect, the debate is a formality at this point.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I think the only ones upset about Dhalla being punted are Tory supporters and Ruby Dhalla.

Not exactly the usual Liberal replacement demographic eh?

 

[RangerRay]

Thats a blank cheque I wouldn't trust any political party with.

I think if our government is going to rebuild any trust from Canadians, the parties need to be as open and honest as possible about who they allow to run under their banner, and how they choose their leaders.

The idea of a cabal of unelected backroom insiders choosing who can even vote for in elections is quite undemocratic. It undermines people's confidence in the power of the electorate, which means less people feel the government is legitimate.

True to that however they assume the risk of the consequences of their actions.

How many people of Indian descent are not going to be impressed with this ditch Dhalla decision? After Chandra got the heave ho as well. Doesn't matter what the reason will be to some, its the optics that may very well burn them out of more voters in the election that matters.

I think, with the exception of membership and voting shenanigans we’ve seen in foreign interference schemes, parties should be left to run themselves as they see fit. While I believe that we need democracy in our general elections between parties, they don’t necessarily need to be democratic within their institutions.

For instance, they should be able to remove anyone who they feel will either bring their party into disrepute, or runs counter to the values of the party. They could even be transparent in why they made their decision, but I think they should be able to punt whatever candidate they want for whatever reason they want. If the candidate and their supporters don’t like that, they can find another party or start your own.

 

[MilEME09]

End of the day, Ruby could appeal to the courts but she isn't, probably because all 12 violations would then be out in public discourse which could harm her more.

During the debate, carney briefly brought up CANZUCK as a way to increase trade, travel and our GDP. it's an idea many have advocated for, given our trade situation with the US. It may be time to seriously study the idea.

 

[ArmyRick]

End of the day, Ruby could appeal to the courts but she isn't, probably because all 12 violations would then be out in public discourse which could harm her more.

During the debate, carney briefly brought up CANZUCK as a way to increase trade, travel and our GDP. it's an idea many have advocated for, given our trade situation with the US. It may be time to seriously study the idea.

Unless something new has come up, she says she is taking legal action.