LPC leadership race - 2025

[brihard]

Just like it helped Kamala Harris and the democrats with their spike after Biden quit?

No idea, I paid little attention to those polls, nor do I think it’s easy to take polling trends from a bipartisan presidential poll and to compare the meaning to polling for a Westminster parliment where up to four parties are realistically in play for a given seat, and only the final composition will tell us who forms government.

All I can see and make sense of here is that, poll over poll within the same polling firms, pretty much everyone has seen enough of a reversion in support back towards LPC that it has the potential to be electorally significant. What, if anything, that ultimately means completely depends on when we actually have an election, what happens between now and then, and what the parties bring to the table. For me personally I would still at this point expect a CPC majority, but am nowhere nearly as confident saying that as I would have been two weeks ago.

Maybe you see something different. I have no idea.

 

[suffolkowner]

Its not about whether the CPC forms large majority or a normal majority, its about whether the NDP could have formed opposition party (a big step up) or as is now likely, cease to exist as a party.

someone would have to poll party supporters but i dont see that. Giving up a supporting position in a Liberal minority to maybe be the official opposition to a Conservative majority seems reckless. What exactly is the value in being the Official opposition? I think pronouncements of the NDP's demise are very premature. Did the Conservative party disappear when it was reduced to 2 seats?

 

[brihard]

someone would have to poll party supporters but i dont see that. Giving up a supporting position in a Liberal minority to maybe be the official opposition to a Conservative majority seems reckless. What exactly is the value in being the Official opposition? I think pronouncements of the NDP's demise are very premature. Did the Conservative party disappear when it was reduced to 2 seats?

Yeah, save your breath. Rick’s been banging the ‘NDP could have formed official opposition!’ drum for a long time now and consistently fails to follow the thought through its logical conclusion, even when I and others have pointed out what exactly that would mean, and even what actually happened when that did actually happen before. In his mind, opposition for a majority is a more strategically advantageous position for the NDP than propping up a somewhat-aligned minority. It’s weird and I’ve stopped trying to understand his thinking on it.

 

[FSTO]

Western NDPers know how to win and to govern. Something that the eastern NDPers (who dominate the federal party) actively work against achieving.

 

[ArmyRick]

All I can see and make sense of here

but i dont see that.

Yup, you two are very clear in what you want to see happen (and your both ignoring obvious realities)

Rick’s been banging the ‘NDP could have formed official opposition!’ drum

Yeah and Rick is right on this one (like a lot of other issues. You always miss big picture issues and thats why you don't get it)

In his mind, opposition for a majority is a more strategically advantageous position

Sure much better than a party not existing

Did the Conservative party disappear when it was reduced to 2 seats?

Yes. That Conservative party ceased to exist. It had to rebuild.
As did the Ontario Liberals after 2018.
And although the Liberals didn't lose party status, they took a third place seat and it hurt them bad. Trudeau had to rebuild and rebrand the party.

You TWO are very clear that your Anybody But Conservatives types.

Yeah boys, there are consequences for fuck around and find out in politics.

 

[brihard]

Yup, you two are very clear in what you want to see happen (and your both ignoring obvious realities)

Oh, this should be good. Please tell me what it is you think I want to see happen. I don’t think you have a clue.

 

[suffolkowner]

Yup, you two are very clear in what you want to see happen (and your both ignoring obvious realities)

Yeah and Rick is right on this one (like a lot of other issues. You always miss big picture issues and thats why you don't get it)

Sure much better than a party not existing

Yes. That Conservative party ceased to exist. It had to rebuild.
As did the Ontario Liberals after 2018.
And although the Liberals didn't lose party status, they took a third place seat and it hurt them bad. Trudeau had to rebuild and rebrand the party.

You TWO are very clear that your Anybody But Conservatives types.

Yeah boys, there are consequences for fuck around and find out in politics.

I wont speak for Brihard but I am not Anybody But Conservative. Not that its anyone's business but Ive stated before that I voted Conservative in the last federal election

 

[ArmyRick]

@brihard @suffolkowner

The dfiference here fellas is that you two are focused on whether the Government will be Liberal or at worst minority Conservative.

MOST of Canada is concerned with actual issues like border security, defence, ECONOMY, justice, trade, relationship with Trump, etc. And the Liberals are failing and don't have anything realistic to offer.

 

[brihard]

@brihard @suffolkowner

The dfiference here fellas is that you two are focused on whether the Government will be Liberal or at worst minority Conservative.

MOST of Canada is concerned with actual issues like border security, defence, ECONOMY, justice, trade, relationship with Trump, etc. And the Liberals are failing and don't have anything realistic to offer.

You said I’m “very clear in what I want”. Tell us what that is. I’m confident you don’t actually have much of a clue.

 

[suffolkowner]

@brihard @suffolkowner

The dfiference here fellas is that you two are focused on whether the Government will be Liberal or at worst minority Conservative.

MOST of Canada is concerned with actual issues like border security, defence, ECONOMY, justice, trade, relationship with Trump, etc. And the Liberals are failing and don't have anything realistic to offer.

we were discussing the supposed benefits to the NDP of being the Official opposition to Conservative majority government vs backing a Liberal minority government

 

[IKnowNothing]

You said I’m “very clear in what I want”. Tell us what that is.

I'll take "a nuanced political discussion without having to constantly rebuff no true scotsman ad homs for having the audacity to have a viewpoint outside of that parroted on one of three partisan youtube channels" Alex

 

[ArmyRick]

You said I’m “very clear in what I want”. Tell us what that is. I’m confident you don’t actually have much of a clue.

From what I see, you want Pierre Poilievre to fail at all cost. Damn whats good for the country or whats best for international relationships or whats best for internal economics just as long as Pierre fails, right? I have seen many comments from YOU sniping at every little thing Pierre does. or doesn't do.

I stand by my initial statement, CPC is the best and ONLY viable option for Canada moving forward.

 

[ArmyRick]

I'll take "a nuanced political discussion without having to constantly rebuff no true scotsman ad homs for having the audacity to have a viewpoint outside of that parroted on one of three partisan youtube channels" Alex

And when the youtubers I watch (including CTV and CBC? I thought they were MSM, oh well) point out the massive failings over and over again, many times quietly acknowledged by the very government I want gone (such as justice, immigration, housing, drugs, etc), what does that say?
Damn, I must be crazy conspiracy theorist.

I make many of you uncomfortable and some of you I piss right off, but I already I said, I am an asshole. Who happens to be correct in many circumstances.

Like Canada doesn't have a border problem? Now look at what the LPC is doing. We don't have a fentanyl problem either I guess? But wait we just appointed a Fentanyl czar. Ohhh, thats just to keep Trump happy is it? Or maybe we have serious problems with our federal government and they have overlooked a lot of things.

But lets get pissed off at Pierre for speaking harshly.

 

[MilEME09]

From what I see, you want Pierre Poilievre to fail at all cost. Damn whats good for the country or whats best for international relationships or whats best for internal economics just as long as Pierre fails, right? I have seen many comments from YOU sniping at every little thing Pierre does. or doesn't do.

I stand by my initial statement, CPC is the best and ONLY viable option for Canada moving forward.

And it's your opinion pierre is best for the country, which your entitled to, and we are entitled to ours. I used to vote CPC, I would not vote for the current party, to use the line they used against JT in 2014/15. They just aren't ready, the CPC leadership team lacks experience doing just about anything other than being career politicians. 90% of caucus got in to politics during university and went from getting a degree to sitting in the house. No real world experience in their field. The best they have is a retired Lt. Col, a lawyer, a mortgage broker, and a housing developer. It's not a team that currently wows anyone, strikes with confidence they could handle Trump, or run this country well.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And when the youtubers I watch (including CTV and CBC? I thought they were MSM, oh well) point out the massive failings over and over again, many times quietly acknowledged by the very government I want gone (such as justice, immigration, housing, drugs, etc), what does that say?
Damn, I must be crazy conspiracy theorist.

I make many of you uncomfortable and some of you I piss right off, but I already I said, I am an asshole. Who happens to be correct in many circumstances.

Like Canada doesn't have a border problem? Now look at what the LPC is doing. We don't have a fentanyl problem either I guess? But wait we just appointed a Fentanyl czar. Ohhh, thats just to keep Trump happy is it? Or maybe we have serious problems with our federal government and they have overlooked a lot of things.

But lets get pissed off at Pierre for speaking harshly.

Posted in error, please disregard.

 

[ArmyRick]

And it's your opinion pierre is best for the country, which your entitled to, and we are entitled to ours. I used to vote CPC, I would not vote for the current party, to use the line they used against JT in 2014/15. They just aren't ready, the CPC leadership team lacks experience doing just about anything other than being career politicians. 90% of caucus got in to politics during university and went from getting a degree to sitting in the house. No real world experience in their field. The best they have is a retired Lt. Col, a lawyer, a mortgage broker, and a housing developer. It's not a team that currently wows anyone, strikes with confidence they could handle Trump, or run this country well.

So who best to tackle
-Economy
-Trade
-Security
-Defence
-Housing
-Natural Resources
-Justice
-Law Enforcement
-Foreign Interference (Government and Election)

They are just not ready? How so? They lack experience? So did Trudeau, hell every new Prime Minister on a change election "lacks experience", They have many who were not career politicians (which I don't care because they obviously keep winning their seats). In fact the "career politician" comes up because Pierre has been at it since 2004. No one says boo about Heidi Frey of the LPC who has been MP for 30+ years.

Doesn't wow anyone? As opposed to a climate obsessed Mark Carney who former British PM says don't trust him? Right.

Your reasons to not vote CPC are terrible.

 

[ArmyRick]

Before anymore of you Anything but Conservative crowd pipe up, I challenge you to address these issues and who is best suited for it
-Economy
-Trade
-Security
-Defence
-Housing
-Natural Resources
-Justice
-Law Enforcement
-Foreign Interference (Government and Election)

 

[IKnowNothing]

And when the youtubers I watch (including CTV and CBC? I thought they were MSM, oh well) point out the massive failings over and over again, many times quietly acknowledged by the very government I want gone (such as justice, immigration, housing, drugs, etc), what does that say?
Damn, I must be crazy conspiracy theorist.

I make many of you uncomfortable and some of you I piss right off, but I already I said, I am an asshole. Who happens to be correct in many circumstances.

Like Canada doesn't have a border problem? Now look at what the LPC is doing. We don't have a fentanyl problem either I guess? But wait we just appointed a Fentanyl czar. Ohhh, thats just to keep Trump happy is it? Or maybe we have serious problems with our federal government and they have overlooked a lot of things.

But lets get pissed off at Pierre for speaking harshly.

Before anymore of you Anything but Conservative crowd pipe up

You're proving my point. Anyone that isn't willing to fawn over PP and join you in claiming his piss to be lemonaid is an ABC. Edited out, unnecessary- my apologies.


As to the bold, I'm not "pissed off" at Pierre. I don't like the direction he's taken the CPC- and I'm worried that he's going to drop the ball that he opportunistically grabbed and piss away what should have been an absolute layup of an election.

 

[Halifax Tar]

layup of an election.

Conservatives in Canada don't get those.

Canada is an inherently left leaning country, to a fault.

 

[ArmyRick]

You're proving my point. Anyone that isn't willing to fawn over PP and join you in claiming his piss to be lemonaid is an ABC. Edited out, unnecessary- my apologies.


As to the bold, I'm not "pissed off" at Pierre. I don't like the direction he's taken the CPC- and I'm worried that he's going to drop the ball that he opportunistically grabbed and piss away what should have been an absolute layup of an election.

Drop the emotional based and opinionated nonsense and address these issues

-Economy
-Trade
-Security
-Defence
-Housing
-Natural Resources
-Justice
-Law Enforcement
-Foreign Interference (Government and Election)

Lets get down to what matters. I support (or "fawn" as you say) Pierre and the CPC because they are the ONLY party that has talked and presented workable plans for these issues.

I am waiting for your response on those issues.