Logistic Vehicle Modernization Project - Replacing everything from LUVW to SHLVW

[Kirkhill]

I believe some direction is incoming on that to lessen the need for Op BB.

I continue in the belief that Light Soldiers, by virtue of their inability to haul a bunch of gear around the countryside with them, are the basic building block of an army.

They need to learn how to soldier with the bare minimum of kit.

If they need more kit to do their job then that kit, and the necessary experts, need to be attached for the duration of the operation.

Need comms, add signallers.
Need info, add intops
Need defences, add sappers
Need guns, add gunners
Need armour, add tankers
.....

Basic soldiering, is what every militia soldier should be taught and be required to execute well. The Rifle Company is the basic element.

Anything beyond that, including all of the trades mentioned above, should require additional personal commitment and could be a supplementary task for the Company.

Eg - All 150 militia units should raise one Light Infantry Company - Cavalry units add a mobile troop, Arty add a gun troop, Engineers add a sapper troop, etc.

 

[Rifleman62]

I see the modern IFV Senator freeing up LAV's and JTV's for the more offensive stuff.....

 

[PrairieFella]

I continue in the belief that Light Soldiers, by virtue of their inability to haul a bunch of gear around the countryside with them, are the basic building block of an army.

They need to learn how to soldier with the bare minimum of kit.

If they need more kit to do their job then that kit, and the necessary experts, need to be attached for the duration of the operation.

Need comms, add signallers.
Need info, add intops
Need defences, add sappers
Need guns, add gunners
Need armour, add tankers
.....

Basic soldiering, is what every militia soldier should be taught and be required to execute well. The Rifle Company is the basic element.

Anything beyond that, including all of the trades mentioned above, should require additional personal commitment and could be a supplementary task for the Company.

Eg - All 150 militia units should raise one Light Infantry Company - Cavalry units add a mobile troop, Arty add a gun troop, Engineers add a sapper troop, etc.

So we have thousands upon thousands of under equipped and non-mobile riflemen to augment or deploy as formed bodies, cool. What do we do if we need to augment RCAC, RCA, RCCS, etc? You mention add a troop...we now have a section minus available per unit for augmentation and an inevitable manning crisis throughout the non-infantry trades. Nevermind the loss of institutional memory, esprit de corps, training formats, etc that are necessary to properly train these other arms.

Perhaps instead of completely blowing up any augmentation capabilities for non-infantry trades, we should allocate more resources to grow and develop the units that already exist and provide the equipment necessary so people actually want to show up to train.

 

[Kirkhill]

So we have thousands upon thousands of under equipped and non-mobile riflemen to augment or deploy as formed bodies, cool. What do we do if we need to augment RCAC, RCA, RCCS, etc? You mention add a troop...we now have a section minus available per unit for augmentation and an inevitable manning crisis throughout the non-infantry trades. Nevermind the loss of institutional memory, esprit de corps, training formats, etc that are necessary to properly train these other arms.

Perhaps instead of completely blowing up any augmentation capabilities for non-infantry trades, we should allocate more resources to grow and develop the units that already exist and provide the equipment necessary so people actually want to show up to train.

Follow after the French pattern and increase the number of sub-units in the Regular Regiments. Some of those sub-units are made up of time-expired regulars. Others could be made up of volunteers. The Regiment is responsible for ensuring that the people on strength are up to the standards required by the Regiment to fulfil its tasks. Or for choosing the appropriate people for the tasks assigned.

PS - Why do you assume that the attached sub-sub-unit is only a section? Why not task the militia unit with providing a fully functional group of 24-36 troops with the necessary skills, kit and rank structure to make them a useful appendage to a Regular unit?

 

[PrairieFella]

PS - Why do you assume that the attached sub-sub-unit is only a section? Why not task the militia unit with providing a fully functional group of 24-36 troops with the necessary skills, kit and rank structure to make them a useful appendage to a Regular unit?

Because that's how force generation works in a non general mobilization scenario. We train squadrons/companies to force generate a troop/platoon. We train troops/platoons to force generate a patrol/section. No reserve unit is sending an entire sub-unit out the door, we expect them to maintain and deploy up to a sub-sub-unit (and their mission statements reflect this).

It's just like the Navy, sustainably deploy one ship, you need three of the same class. Localize that to an armoured squadron for example and it looks like one troop deployed, one reconstituting and one on work-up/in training. It's not sustainable otherwise and even then it's fricking hard to keep up good training at home in the reserve context.

 

[Kirkhill]

Because that's how force generation works in a non general mobilization scenario. We train squadrons/companies to force generate a troop/platoon. We train troops/platoons to force generate a patrol/section. No reserve unit is sending an entire sub-unit out the door, we expect them to maintain and deploy up to a sub-sub-unit (and their mission statements reflect this).

It's just like the Navy, sustainably deploy one ship, you need three of the same class. Localize that to an armoured squadron for example and it looks like one troop deployed, one reconstituting and one on work-up/in training. It's not sustainable otherwise and even then it's fricking hard to keep up good training at home in the reserve context.

I understand the difficulty having lived it lo these many decades ago. We had a switched on A company with a platoon of dedicated Militia Rats that got on to every Asslt Pnr, Rappel Master, Abn, MG, Mor course they could skive their way on to. B Company was the recruit training platoon that both ran the recruiting effort and conducted the BMQ training.

It worked as long as we had a dedicated head shed and connections that saw us well financed.

It doesn't matter what the standard is - it takes effort to achieve it and maintain it. Absent that effort all plans fail.

....

The effort is absent.

 

[Maxman1]

How did a thread on truck replacement turn into ARes restructuring?

 

[KevinB]

How did a thread on truck replacement turn into ARes restructuring?

Because at the end of the Day the CA can’t continue on its current path off the cliff.

 

[Furniture]

How did a thread on truck replacement turn into ARes restructuring?

Because someone wore a toque without gloves...

 

[PrairieFella]

Because someone wore a toque without gloves...

The absolute fool.

 

[markppcli]

It's a cool truck but personally I think it's too big for what we need. Do we really need hundreds of vehicles designed to carry 10-12 people? The pickup variant is interesting to me but how does it stack up against the competition? I personally am leaning more towards the new JTLVA2 being our best choice. I do wonder what Armatec is keeping secret up their sleeve though.

Carries 10-12 people sounds like a great way to motorize a Bn.

 

[daftandbarmy]

How did a thread on truck replacement turn into ARes restructuring?

 

[FJAG]

How did a thread on truck replacement turn into ARes restructuring?

It wasn't me ... this time.

 

[PrairieFella]

Carries 10-12 people sounds like a great way to motorize a Bn.

Purely for reserve infantry yeah, seems like a lot of wasted space for everyone else who needs them though.

 

[markppcli]

Purely for reserve infantry yeah, seems like a lot of wasted space for everyone else who needs them though.

10-12 people can also mean a mortar crew with reloads, drones etc. plus this is about logistics vehicles no?

 

[PrairieFella]

10-12 people can also mean a mortar crew with reloads, drones etc. plus this is about logistics vehicles no?

Fair enough.

 

[Maxman1]

10-12 people can also mean a mortar crew with reloads, drones etc. plus this is about logistics vehicles no?

There is also a the M327 120mm towed rifled mortar, which is towed by the M1161 Growler.

Perhaps that can be the cut off between infantry and artillery mortars. Towed and rifled: artillery; smooth bore and packable: infantry.

Most 5/4 type trucks have a version with a cargo bed with seats for ten or so troops. Including the parent design of the LSVW.

 

[PrairieFella]

Including the parent design of the LSVW.

Don't put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby!

 

[Colin Parkinson]

5/4 tons were issued to Blowpipe detachments. I see something like the Senator good for that role, as they won't be right at the front, but a bit behind. The trucks were fitted with racks, I seem to recall 8 reloads could be carried?

 

[Edward Campbell]

When I enlisted we still had many of these WWII 'veterans' serving in the regular Army in Canada - some with the steering wheel on the left, some with it on the right.

We made do with with whatever was at hand; only 4CIBG in Germany got anything like "new" kit on a regular basis.