JTF2 & AFG (merged)

[x-grunt]

BAAA BAAAA   ;D


I'm curious to the point of this article?   Does the unnamed writer think this is earth shattering news?

To some it may be. The average civy really doesn't know much about what's up with all this. Remember it's a big deal for CF'ers, so we have an insider's interest and knowledge. But it's really not the greatest concern for most people in the scheme of our daily national life, so not much attention has been given to it until lately. Perspective is everything.

 

[Cloud Cover]

On the DND Spotlight website, the author is identified as Stephen Thorne. I wonder why this article has cut that out? I didn't understand the reference to Canadian recce troops being on par with US special forces. I wasn't aware the training was the same, or is that factually incorrect? 

 

[Cloud Cover]

On the DND Spotlight website, the author is identified as Stephen Thorne. I wonder why this article has cut that out? I didn't understand the reference to Canadian recce troops being on par with US special forces. I wasn't aware the training was the same, or is that factually incorrect?    

With specialized qualifications such as Pathfinder and Ranger badges, many regular reconnaissance soldiers in Canada are considered on par with almost any U.S. special forces unit.

 

[Spr.Earl]

The Path Finder and Ranger course's are open to all in the C.F. as long as you are qualified and it's no secret.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

I suppose those with the qualification of Pathfinder or Ranger would be on par with some SOF but the average Recce patrolmen from my experience would not be.   The basic recce patrolman crse comes no where near SOF.  They do seem to get more opertunities then the rest of us though.  This may be only in my BN mind you.

 

[KevinB]

You find nearly all the same skills (or did) in a CF Light Bn that you do in a SF Group or Ranger Bn - minus the Groups language skills.
These days were short of the Medicine, Engineer and Comms types in the Bn level.

A GOOD Recce Pltmn course (i.e. not run my a mech BN) will be similar if not sometimes not as intense as the RANGER course.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Right, but are Rangers SOF?

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

well that's debatable.  There is some theories about a tier system with SAS/SEALS being Teir 1 and Rangers more specialized Infantry are tier 3.  Like I said its a debated question with no clear answer.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Thanks CFL.

A GOOD Recce Pltmn course (i.e. not run my a mech BN) will be similar if not sometimes not as intense as the RANGER course.

Are you being disingenious, or have you made a typo in that somewhere?

 

[Britney Spears]

A GOOD Recce Pltmn course (i.e. not run my a mech BN) will be similar if not sometimes not as intense  as the RANGER course.

Freudian Slip, too.

 

[Cloud Cover]

... or was it?

 

[Spr.Earl]

All are light Troops, it's just some have that extra ticket punch and passed those extra physical and mental test's given the S.F..

But what ever they do should not be made public period!

 

[KevinB]

My Bad  ;D

Rangers are considered SOF - they do a lot of SFOD Support --> part of CAG Task Forces.


My typing sucks - I meant that recently mech BN's have lost a lot of capabilities, and their recce course have not been to the standard that the LI units have been.

 

[Armymedic]

OTTAWA â ” Canadian special forces soldiers in southern Afghanistan have killed Taliban and Al Qaeda rebels over several operations in recent months as they work secretly in small units, military sources say.

The modest contingent of troops from Joint Task Force 2 is an integral part of coalition efforts to stem the tide of insurgency that has risen since campaigning began for Sunday's parliamentary elections.

JTF2 commandos have joined counterparts from the United States and some British Commonwealth countries, such as Australia, in fighting that has claimed more than 1,200 lives in six months, say the Canadian defence sources.

Good, nice to see that the troops who worked hard and got the good training are using it thier best advantage to maintain our peace and security here in Canada. Thats why they endured the bag drive thru training and work hard to be the best.

Looks good on them.

As for the other side of the dicussion, the LIBs (3rd Bns) also train to support the JTF in operations. In a cordon and Serch op like the "Blackhawk Down" example, where Rangers secured the outside and the specialists (Delta) went in to do the snatch. In Afghanistan, Coalition and ANA forces do the same thing for the SOF forces.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Interestingly, the very same article is carried on the front page of the London Free Press this morning: the title is changed:
"Canadians Killing Rebels".

 

[Marauder]

Many of their victims â ” whom the chief of defence staff recently called "murderers and scumbags" â ” never knew what hit them, one source told The Canadian Press.

Some kid being hit with a stray bullet in a driveby, is a victim. Some old couple being terrorized by some crankhead skells in a home invasion, are victims.

Taliban and AQ members/sympathizers, are targets deserving of being sent to face Allah and their 72 virgins as expediently as possible. If there are members of the CF canceling the ability of these scumbags to further steal my oxygen, so much the better.

Sorry, I just hate it when the press pulls out the sob story shite for violent, remorseless thugs and murders.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I wish these assholes would just give it up and start selling blackmarket CDs (Thats work!) or something.

 

[Armymedic]

I wish these assholes would just give it up and start selling blackmarket CDs (Thats work!) or something.

or tailoring suits, or making rugs or crafting stonewear tea sets etc, etc

 

[edadian]

Secrecy is a double edged sword for these forces. To much and no one knows what your capable of and you get misused. To little and you end up losing capabilities.

Perhaps a controlled PR campaign and an authorized, sanitized official history could help fill the publics need and desire for information. It could also raise the unit some extra revenue.

 

[Armymedic]

I don't think funding is a problem for that particular unit.