Colin Parkinson
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I get the feeling we have different definitions for "SMG"
We can't even get the damn names of two documents sync'd up.Sorry; SMG = Standard Manoeuvre Guide; a publication that covers a host of procedures, practices, restrictions, etc related to a specific fleet. Also known as a SMM (Standard Manoevre Manual). The LRP SMM is 200+ pages...and covered by CTAT/Controlled Goods policies.
They will also contain warnings, cautions, notes, as well as "should/shall/may/will/must" statements.
It is now.We can't even get the damn names of two documents sync'd up.
SMG = SMM.
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We were talking about a Hellfire upgrade, which I don't think is covered under ASM mounting as it's a much smaller missle system. But yah not a simple upgrade I'm sure. It was nice to be excited about new kit for a change though I'll tell you.The RCAF won’t do Helo ASM unless and until the RCN makes it a high priority.
Even then, it ain’t as simple to mod the helo as your friend made it out to be.
LocMart be like, who accepted it…"The families of six Canadian Armed Forces members killed in a helicopter crash off the coast of Greece are suing the aircraft's U.S. manufacturer, accusing it of gross negligence and a reckless disregard for safety."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vi...rer-cyclone-helicopter-crash-greece-1.6911194
There are layers to this. Without, in any way prejudging what a US Court might find.LocMart be like, who accepted it…
The dog doesn’t hunt.
Probably not, but do they want a Boeing MCAS situation? I'm willing to bet they settle long before disclosure starts. Even if they lose the suit, there's likely skeletons they don't want released.
The US Presidential Helicopter and the Cyclone are only externally similar. Not the same helicopter.US courts and lawsuits can go in many directions.
If Lookheed has anything that points to them....they may settle.
It be won't be a MCAS situation. No one else flies the thing.
Especially US forces....so no news stories. It's not even the same as the base S92.
EDIT: Crap I forget things....the damn Marine 1....if something.in the machine can be linked to that new program....Lockheed...settle...just ask how many zeros.
OT...RCAF...could get a new source of cheap spares again from a presidential helicopter program. Lol..
The US Presidential Helicopter and the Cyclone are only externally similar. Not the same helicopter.
There are some stories that report Sik informed the RCAF of the potential issue, and that RCAF ignored/refused the fix. I’m not knowledgeable enough to know what’s credible or not in that regard, but it if true the blame game changes significantly.Same lawyer previously successfully sued Sikorsky over the S92 crash off Newfoundland. S92 is the civilian model that evolved into the Cyclone.
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Families of military members killed in 2020 Cyclone helicopter crash sue manufacturer | Globalnews.ca
Lawyers representing the families say a design flaw caused the chopper to fall into the Ionian Sea off the coast of Greece. They also say the manufacturer is yet to fix the issue.globalnews.ca
Keep in mind that this is not the RCAF/ GoC sueing SIK- it is the families.There are some stories that report Sik informed the RCAF of the potential issue, and that RCAF ignored/refused the fix. I’m not knowledgeable enough to know what’s credible or not in that regard, but it if true the blame game changes significantly.
The other issue is at the end of the day, the RCAF conducted testing and gave it an airworthiness cert
There is a big difference between a commercial helicopter purchase and a military helicopter that was adopted as to the what/why/where of blame when things go badly.
Understood, but Sik’s argument to me would be the RCAF/GoC is the actual culpable party, as by issuing an airworthiness certificate they have indemnified the manufacturer.Keep in mind that this is not the RCAF/ GoC sueing SIK- it is the families.
I can neither rebut nor agree with you on a public forum. This is the point where I have to take my leave from this thread.Understood, but Sik’s argument to me would be the RCAF/GoC is the actual culpable party, as by issuing an airworthiness certificate they have indemnified the manufacturer.