Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Underway]

I never thought I would say this but I miss the homestead family feeling of Regan.

 

[ytz]

So does that make Vance the American Putin?

Maybe. You'll know when he starts lighting candles at a military church and getting priests to bless ICBMs. He's trying though.

Which admittedly I have as the Manchurian Candidate on my Bingo card. 2025 is a pretty strange year.
Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave.

It's cute that you think this is as bad as it gets for America. Look at the generation of politicians coming next..... 2028 will be your choice of first female President. Ivanka or AOC. And it only gets worse from there.

We're in a world where the Chinese Communist government is doing demos of flying cars and American administration officials are retweeting a guy named "catturd". Imagine, telling a Vietnam veteran that in a few decades the Vietnamese Communist General Secretary would be openly pleading with an American President to support free markets and trade, and that America was trying the Soviet experiment with autarky.

 

[ytz]

Oh geez, I laughed so hard at this is forgot which way way gravity worked for a minute!

If you know Yelstin, you won't unsee it now.

 

[ytz]

It does when you consider that as history, and used to drive a wedge. It’s almost like a KGB playbook from the 80’s, oh wait…

I don't think the KGB ever dreamt of having an American administration willingly dismantle the American imposed global order.

Do I think we should spend more? Absolutely.

Do I think the American people will care about us if we spend more? Absolutely not.

Do I think the American elites will care about us, if we spend more on defence? Increasingly not.

I think the Americans who are really vehement about other countries spending more on defence care less about the capability than they do about the contracts (they imagine they'll get) and appearances. Namely that they want the rest of NATO to have crap social services and spend it all on defence just the like the US, so that Americans won't question their own wasteful spending. Same logic as Russian elites worrying about Ukraine developing as a capitalist democracy, showing up the Russian mafia state. The recent Vance comments during Signalgate kinda shows this attitude.

 

[MrWhyt]

Only an extreme level of TDS associates Trump with Hitler.

lets see:
-wants to annex other countries
-is obsessed with "undesirables" polluting the blood of the nation
-thinks his country has been wronged by others and is out to make things right

of course there are differences, Hitler actually fought for his country and never had a daughter that he wanted to fuck.

 

[ytz]

Hitler actually fought for his country and never had a daughter that he wanted to fuck.

Hitler did have a thing for his half-niece.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Hitler did have a thing for his half-niece.

So, a Southerner!

 

[FJAG]

Let's all give a warm thank you to #47 for that.

Though many won't admit it, if it wasn't for 47 we wouldn't even be talking about defence.

In a way you are right. 3 months ago the need to talk about defence lay entirely at the feet of Putin. But since the new White House regime took over, started throwing hissy fits, started kissing Putin's ass while openly threatening the US's former allies and turning the world economy into a tail spin, then yeah. I see where we get to thank 47 for this dumpster fire.

The Danes are laggards in Defense spending as well. So no shock that he’s talking about two countries that are weak in Defense and have approaches that can leave the US vulnerable.

I miss seeing those approaches creating an American vulnerability. The Davis Sea and Baffin Bay look like natural choke points during times of conflict. The straits around Iceland are a bit more open. More importantly, in the event of hostilities the vessels that could threaten the US would long before then have positioned themselves into launch positions under peacetime passage. Trumpian view of defence is like Putin's - an ever expanding outer cordon of vassal states.

Do I think that President Trump’s approach is correct, no, but he pushed in his first term and was ignored. So he’s going scorched earth this time to force the issue.

It depends on what you call ignore. The 2014 NATO Wales Summit target for 2%/20%, agreed to by the US after Ukraine 1 was set for 2024. By the time 45 left office in Jan 2021, Putin's brigades were still siting in their encampments drinking vodka and selling off fuel and weapons.

I think most Americans are past caring what Canada thinks.

They never did.

Your government has shirked its responsibilities for years.

Pursuant to Wales we're only in default for a year. For a country that is now resolved to pull in its horns and look only after itself, there's a bit of pot calling kettle black. From a defence of our own country point of view we've done the right amount based on the fact that the gamble that there were no active territorial threats has paid off. From the point of view of helping our allies during active hostilities, Canada too has pulled its weight in Afghanistan and helping train others in insurgent situations. It's only in the field of pulling our weight in an alliance dedicated to deterring war in Europe that there has been a major slackening off. We have built neither a credible expeditionary force nor a viable defence industry to support it. Canada's only excuse is that everyone, including the US, has dramatically reduce both forces and defence industry dedicated to European deterrence.

It's cute that you think this is as bad as it gets for America. Look at the generation of politicians coming next..... 2028 will be your choice of first female President. Ivanka or AOC. And it only gets worse from there.

The Democrats still have an opportunity to get their act together and to make a change to the centre and put paid to their vocal fringe group and thus become acceptable to the majority of Americans. The Republicans unfortunately are in the most advanced stages of Stockholm syndrome. There will be no change of direction for the better for them (and its hard to imagine a direction any worse than where they already are - I've been proven wrong on this before). The question is whether their electoral base will collapse as the enormity of the clown show becomes apparent even to them (and I don't hold much hope for this happening en masse - just enough to make a difference).