Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Altair]

What they really want is some action from government so they can go home and get on with their lives. These are not professional protesters. Most are taking a significant income hit to be there.

They should go home because that's not going to happen, at least not at the federal level.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You mean voters who have a direct linkage to the active support of the incumbent government? You’re saying thats a similar logical construct as disenfranchised (feeling unrepresented) citizens protesting?
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I remember that being promised…

More than once.

It's like Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump promising to move the Embassy to Jeruselum.
It took Trump to finally keep those Presidential promises.

Or how long have the grits been promising clean water to FN.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The reason I disagree with your 40-50% don’t give a crap is that everyone has been 8mpeded one way or another in this. For some it’s as simple as unrestricted border crossing, others it’s school issues, many it’s employment… the number that GAF is definitely high.

Good question, what and when is the end game? We’re way passed “two weeks to slow the spread“.

Personally, I don't have any skin in the game. I'm triple vaxxed, employed, no debts but I don't see the real cost-benefit of continuing to press the issue post-pandemic?

There needs to be a drawdown and de-escalation as continuing with these measures creates other issues.

History is replete with examples of "winning a thousand battles and still losing the war". The juice doesn't seem to be worth the squeeze.

 

[Altair]

You're right the protest will end, but the manner of its ending is as important as the fact it ends.

the police have not been cracking skulls before now, I doubt they start now.

When the railroads were blockaded, things ended peacefully because the government spoke respectfully to the people protesting, and allowed everybody to walk away feeling like they had accomplished something. If they had said "enough is enough" and used force to end things, blockades would likely have popped up at nearly every rail line that crossed First Nations claimed land.

And BLM protests have been shut down with absolutely no talks.

First nations groups are a special case because of treaty and land rights, and they have centralized leadership. As many have said before, who do you even talk to in the convoy that has any sway?

Looking at the truck protest, the government has already essentially set themselves up to only have force, or boredom as an options to end this. Based on the way the media, and government have spoken about the protest boredom is likely out, because the more rhetoric they use the more the protesters dig in. That leaves force as the only option... What happens when the OPS decide that batons and tear gas are the right tool? We have already seen peaceful protests pop up across the country in support of the one in Ottawa, is it unlikely to see less-peaceful ones if this gets ugly in Ottawa?

Again, OPS does not seem like they are in the business of cracking skulls, if there were they would have done so already.

 

[Altair]

The reason I disagree with your 40-50% don’t give a crap is that everyone has been 8mpeded one way or another in this. For some it’s as simple as unrestricted border crossing, others it’s school issues, many it’s employment… the number that GAF is definitely high.

Good question, what and when is the end game? We’re way passed “two weeks to slow the spread“.

Majority of Canadians disagree with 'freedom convoy' on vaccine mandates and lockdowns

THE CONVERSATION

nationalpost.com

Most Canadians support government measures to help control the spread of COVID-19, according to our ongoing public opinion study. Known as the COVID-19 Monitor, the study of Canadians’ attitudes relating to the COVID-19 pandemic and public policy interventions has been running since shortly after the first COVID-19-related government restrictions were introduced in March 2020. It has amassed more than 100,000 respondents, making it one of the largest continuing studies of Canadian attitudes toward the pandemic.

Poll: 28% of Canadians support unvaccinated truckers crossing border

Almost one in three Canadians, or 28 per cent, support allowing unvaccinated truckers to cross the U.S.-Canada border, according to a new poll. Those with this view are mostly likely to be from Alberta with 35 per cent followed by Atlantic Canada at 30 per cent and Ontario at 29 per cent. The...

vancouver.citynews.ca

Almost one in three Canadians, or 28 per cent, support allowing unvaccinated truckers to cross the U.S.-Canada border, according to a new poll.

Those with this view are mostly likely to be from Alberta with 35 per cent followed by Atlantic Canada at 30 per cent and Ontario at 29 per cent.

The minority trying to force their opinion on the Majority. Yeah, that's not going to work.

 

[mariomike]

It's like Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump promising to move the Embassy to Jeruselum.
It took Trump to finally keep those Presidential promises.

UN Votes Against the US Moving Its Embassy to Jerusalem

Yes I have thought about that. The status quo is that Israel, with its wide array of people and infrastructure will have to exist, in all fairness. I just wouldn't call it Israel. I'd call it a nice warm place to live. My argument is for secularization, not operating governments or rebellious...

army.ca

Fewer than 10 Ottawa police officers suspended for refusing COVID-19 vaccine

Fewer than 10 out of 1387 police officers.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Well, a young lady ~ we do not know her ~ who lives near us here in Centretown Ottawa has done what Police Chief Sloly, Mayor Watson, Attorney General Downey and Prime Minister Trudeau have ALL failed, failed conspicuously to do. She turned off the horns.

She, Zexi Li, hired a layer and he persuaded Justice Hugh McLean (apparently he didn't need a lot of persuading) that honking horns, day and night, is a) harmful to others; and b) not the kind of "free speech" that needs legal/constitutional protection.

Why, one might ask did Trudeau, Downey, Watson, Sloly and tall the other and all their minions not do that 10 days ago?

 

[Remius]

Well, a young lady ~ we do not know her ~ who lives near us here in Centretown Ottawa has done what Police Chief Sloly, Mayor Watson, Attorney General Downey and Prime Minister Trudeau have ALL failed, failed conspicuously to do. She turned off the horns.

She, Zexi Li, hired a layer and he persuaded Justice Hugh McLean (apparently he didn't need a lot of persuading) that honking horns, day and night, is a) harmful to others; and b) not the kind of "free speech" that needs legal/constitutional protection.

Why, one might ask did Trudeau, Downey, Watson, Sloly and tall the other and all their minions not do that 10 days ago?

Indeed. I’m not sure it will be enforced but we’ll see. Bodes well for the class action suit though.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Well, a young lady ~ we do not know her ~ who lives near us here in Centretown Ottawa has done what Police Chief Sloly, Mayor Watson, Attorney General Downey and Prime Minister Trudeau have ALL failed, failed conspicuously to do. She turned off the horns.

She, Zexi Li, hired a layer and he persuaded Justice Hugh McLean (apparently he didn't need a lot of persuading) that honking horns, day and night, is a) harmful to others; and b) not the kind of "free speech" that needs legal/constitutional protection.

Why, one might ask did Trudeau, Downey, Watson, Sloly and tall the other and all their minions not do that 10 days ago?

Apparently the newest tactic is walking around with Empty Jerry Cans or filling them with Koolaid. They are calling it the biggest troll job in history.

 

[Good2Golf]

Why, one might ask did Trudeau, Downey, Watson, Sloly and tall the other and all their minions not do that 10 days ago?

Because Ms. Li was interested in resolving the issue ASAP, as opposed to:

• grandstanding to impress everyone with one’s resolve stewardship of this great nation; or
• to avoid having to address OPS Chief’s plea for sending troops into the streets (with or without guns); or
• doing nothing, so as to divert heat and light away from other examples of ineptitude, like city programs quite literally coming off the rails; or
• to avoid have one’s budget decreased by passively-aggressively campaigning against a defund the police effort…?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

In light of the outbreak of #FreedomConvoy now trending globally, people have revisited this 1999 South Park skit:

It's trending on Twitter LOL

 

[McG]

…or “Some of you may lose your jobs or livelihood, but that’s the sacrifice I’m willing to make.”

The government has a lot more capacity to protect jobs & livelihoods than to spontaneously increase the number of healthcare professionals. So, risk to jobs & livelihoods is more easily mitigated than risk to lives. Also, lost jobs & livelihoods are a reversible condition (an area where govt can also assist) but a lost life is irreversible.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Why, one might ask did Trudeau, Downey, Watson, Sloly and tall the other and all their minions not do that 10 days ago?

In the Prime Minister's case I would say very clever politicking. He had everything to gain by extending this protest and nothing by summing it up.

 

[Altair]

In the Prime Minister's case I would say very clever politicking. He had everything to gain by extending this protest and nothing by summing it up.

Cynical.

Not wrong but cynical.

 

[Remius]

Police arson unit probes Ottawa downtown apartment fire allegation in heat of anti-mandate protest

Police are investigating what appears to be an attempt to start a fire in the lobby of a downtown Ottawa apartment building, where tenants say they have been…

ottawacitizen.com

Police investigating now.

 

[lenaitch]

What’s important to remember is the protests are mostly about restoring what’s been taken away (by stopping mandates and restrictions). Not fundamental changes to a voting system, for instance.

While likely true for the non-core group (and the people who are just there on the weekends for the carnival of it all), there is still the 'demand' from to so-called spokespersons - which I'm not aware has been withdrawn - for the Senate and GG to dissolve Parliament.

And speaking of the spokespersons, the so-called parents of this thing, in response to the court's noise injunction, their lawyer says they are not responsible. So does anybody speak for anybody, or is this an anarchic gaggle?

 

[NotSoWiseKingSolomon]

Another small fringe minority:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ambassador-bridge-protest-1.6342837

People around the world (Mexico, USA, Bolivia, France, Australia, New Zealand and more) have seen what the True North Strong and Free are doing and emulating it.
God Bless Truckers.

 

[dapaterson]

Why would he meet avowed white supremacists calling for race war (the protest organizers - who, for the record, are not truckers nor representative of truckers).

 

[Furniture]

While likely true for the non-core group (and the people who are just there on the weekends for the carnival of it all), there is still the 'demand' from to so-called spokespersons - which I'm not aware has been withdrawn - for the Senate and GG to dissolve Parliament.

And speaking of the spokespersons, the so-called parents of this thing, in response to the court's noise injunction, their lawyer says they are not responsible. So does anybody speak for anybody, or is this an anarchic gaggle?

Perhaps they are an anarcho-syndicalist commune?

 

[mariomike]

The government has a lot more capacity to protect jobs & livelihoods than to spontaneously increase the number of healthcare professionals. So, risk to jobs & livelihoods is more easily mitigated than risk to lives. Also, lost jobs & livelihoods are a reversible condition (an area where govt can also assist) but a lost life is irreversible.

Also, among the survivors,

COVID-19: Long-term effects

Learn about the possible long-term effects of COVID-19.

www.mayoclinic.org