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:rofl:PPCLI Guy said:I was picking up T3s at the Pharm O in Edmonton today, and I asked if I could have a side of Vitamin S.
Apparently it is, in fact, too soon.....
:rofl:PPCLI Guy said:I was picking up T3s at the Pharm O in Edmonton today, and I asked if I could have a side of Vitamin S.
Apparently it is, in fact, too soon.....
Technoviking said:There it is...PTSD.
I swear that I'm the only member to deploy to not get PTSD.
Technoviking said:There it is...PTSD.
I swear that I'm the only member to deploy to not get PTSD.
Technoviking said:There it is...PTSD.
I swear that I'm the only member to deploy to not get PTSD.
George Wallace said:Ah! But you do. You just have not been diagnosed with it yet. >
Towards_the_gap said:Discipline me if you want, but we should be able to talk about this.
Towards_the_gap said:recceguy -
I'm in no way casting dispersions on anyones specific medical diagnoses, nor am I claiming any medical experience and ability to judge, via the internet, the veracity of anyones claim.
HOWEVER.
Is it such an emotive issue that ANY discussion of the possibility that some individuals would claim a hard-to-diagnose mental health issue as a mitigating factor in the conduct of a crime, is therefore shouted down as 'YOU CANNOT DIAGNOSE PEOPLE' and 'YOU'RE PERPETUATING STEREOTYPES'???
People DO fake PTSD. It's a known fact. But we've gone so far the other way from 'it's a lack of moral fibre/cowardice' that the minute someone shows up at a CDU with a stress/mental health issue, the big P-T-S-D word gets thrown out immediately. I was eventually diagnosed with a traumatic brain injury but, at first, the burden of proof was on me to show that it wasn't PTSD!!!! I actually had to tell the MO 'No, it's not PTSD' at one point.
But back on point. Without judging anyone or diagnosing anyone, I do find it odd that PTSD was mentioned AFTER an admission of guilt.
Discipline me if you want, but we should be able to talk about this.
Towards_the_gap said:And I totally concur with TV, the real problem in this case is not whether or not she has PTSD, but the fact that she 'claims' to have it, and only brings it up after she pleads guilty.
"I foolishly did not understand how wrong it was to do this. I foolishly allowed my PTSD to cloud my judgment.”
“During the meeting, Bouchard asked Sgt. Boivin not to tell anyone because she did not want to lose her job,” said an agreed statement of facts presented in court.
Technoviking said:I criticize her use of PTSD as an excuse for criminal behaviour. That is all.
Towards_the_gap said:Fair points RG, but I will say this.
I know people who ARE suffering in silence, not because of those doubters, but because they see people who cannot possibly fit the criteria, as laid down in DSM 5 - http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/PTSD%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf who are subsequently awarded nice VAC payouts, SISIP LTD, med discharge etc etc etc....
and think ' I don't want to be lumped in with that group, I'll soldier on'
Isn't that as equally a severe problem as the much maligned stigma?
And I totally concur with TV, the real problem in this case is not whether or not she has PTSD, but the fact that she 'claims' to have it, and only brings it up after she pleads guilty.
Her doctor/social worker/VA case manager didn't come forward with her med docs and state, on record, that she has PTSD.
She just told the press that she does.......
PPCLI Guy said:I concur completely. I sense that we are over-diagnosing. The immediate result of hiring more people whose job it is to diagnose mental health issues is that there are more diagnoses of mental health issues...
recceguy said:Of course there is more diagnosis. The more people looking and identifying will naturally raise the bar. Just like more infantrymen in the field during a battle will increase the amount of enemy casualties. Or the more cars on the road the more accidents that will happen.
Towards_the_gap said:At the risk of splitting this thread into it's own entity, I will add that it also seems, within the last 10 years, that there are more people looking for problems when there isn't any. People have been almost been led to believe that you WILL suffer PTSD from a traumatic event, not that you actually only have about a 20% chance of long-term problems.
Example: in the city I work for, there was a particularly bad call a while ago. The critical incident stress team held a 'debriefing'. Guess who was coming forward with claims of 'being affected by it'?
The people who weren't at the call. Isn't that curious?
I'm not advocating the WWI british approach of shooting shell shock victims, nor am I saying that slapping people will cure it. I'm just saying let's have some balance and accept that not everyone gets PTSD, some people fake it, and some people claim it after they've been an idiot. And perhaps, callling those fakers out and not just blindly accepting everyone who substitutes their own personality disorders for the mental health issue du jour may in fact help those who are suffering in silence. I always say, I don't worry about the people who come out and tell you 'I've got PTSD', I worry about the ones who don't.
Strike said:PTSD or not, she contradicts herself, thus using her (possible diagnosis of) PTSD as an excuse. When she addressed the court she said:
But when she was selling to the MP, it was reported:
She agreed to that statement. So which is it? Did she know what she was doing was wrong? Or didn't she?
recceguy said:So we'll meet in the middle and say she 'might' have PTSD, but that's not our call. However, the use of real or fictional PTSD is wrong to use as her scapegoat for behavior.