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No, I'm not saying it's fake, just heavily biased and very selective in tone and also what is reported and what is not reported.
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No, I'm not saying it's fake, just heavily biased and very selective in tone and also what is reported and what is not reported.
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He called it "enemy of the people."
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Trump did say that, but I did not.
I thank you for that detailed explanation.
It’s also foolish to believe that the US hasn’t changed its strategy to tackle the pandemic.
One month in, how Biden has changed disaster management and the US COVID-19 response
Developing a national disaster response plan for the pandemic was only step one.
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Brad Sallows
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Biden can only change what the federal government does, not the states. Can he execute some changes? Trivially true. Can we run counter-factuals to determine whether current policies (including the bad, such as the recent CDC/FDA over-caution) are on net better or worse? No. "Change" isn't automatically positive, and many policies affect pandemic mitigation/militation (eg. the illegal immigration SNAFU in progress which was prompted by "changes").
Centralization is not automatically helpful, but sounds like a good idea to people who have forgotten that agencies and their employees are much more empowered to say "No" than "Yes", and tend to be over-cautious. The J&J stuff is just the most recent concrete example. That alone may cause reputational damage to the vaccination effort which exceeds all the good of all other changes thought to be beneficial. It directly corrodes the aim: to get as many people vaccinated as soon as possible.
Centralization is not automatically helpful, but sounds like a good idea to people who have forgotten that agencies and their employees are much more empowered to say "No" than "Yes", and tend to be over-cautious. The J&J stuff is just the most recent concrete example. That alone may cause reputational damage to the vaccination effort which exceeds all the good of all other changes thought to be beneficial. It directly corrodes the aim: to get as many people vaccinated as soon as possible.
Altair
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We are third in the G20.
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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations
Our vaccination dataset uses the most recent official numbers from governments and health ministries worldwide. Population estimates for per-capita metrics are based on the United Nations World Population Prospects. Income groups are based on the World Bank classification. A full list of our...
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Makes a great soundbite, but how many people have died due to delay in vaccine procurement? How many provinces are still under curfew and lockdown because there wasn't adequate vaccination (we are just now finishing the vulnerable 70+ groups nationally) among the working population to prevent spread?
Your chart shows you can prove any position by skewing the data. In the time it took us to procure and administer 7.4M doses (20% of our population), the US has managed to procure and administer 122M doses (almost 40% of their population) and 75M of those individuals are fully vaccinated. 200% of Canada's population fully vaccinated, 340% of Canada's population with 1 dose. Seems like a roaring success right there.
Probably more appropriate to compare Canada to a similar country with no domestic production capability whatsoever. But that point was made and discussed pages ago.Makes a great soundbite, but how many people have died due to delay in vaccine procurement? How many provinces are still under curfew and lockdown because there wasn't adequate vaccination (we are just now finishing the vulnerable 70+ groups nationally) among the working population to prevent spread?
Your chart shows you can prove any position by skewing the data. In the time it took us to procure and administer 7.4M doses (20% of our population), the US has managed to procure and administer 122M doses (almost 40% of their population) and 75M of those individuals are fully vaccinated. 200% of Canada's population fully vaccinated, 340% of Canada's population with 1 dose. Seems like a roaring success right there.
If Canada had maintained a domestic vaccine production capability, the various provincial restrictions could have probably been lifted sooner.
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In other positive news for Canada yesterday,
Link
Meanwhile.
Covid deaths as of 14 April 2021 per 100,000 population.
United Kingdom 191.56
United States 172.22
Canada 63.06
Altair
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About as good as the soundbite that we were 50th in the world and last in the G20
Hard to quantify. Assuming that Canada has been buying the most vaccines as fast a possible and being unable to do much about production delays, none?
Many, but every other G20 country outside of the UK and USA have been dealing with the exact same issues. So the only way Canadas vaccine rollout is in any ways bad is if you have unrealistic expectations.
The data is the data.Your chart shows you can prove any position by skewing the data. In the time it took us to procure and administer 7.4M doses (20% of our population), the US has managed to procure and administer 122M doses (almost 40% of their population) and 75M of those individuals are fully vaccinated. 200% of Canada's population fully vaccinated, 340% of Canada's population with 1 dose. Seems like a roaring success right there.
3rd in the G20.
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I just don't want to get killed by the darn thing.
Since the source above is Johns Hopkins University, so is this,
As of yesterday, U.S. Covid deaths per 100,000 population were almost triple ours.
As far as comparing Canada's vaccination rate to other countries, as Mick explained,
As long as we are comparing Canada to other countries, perhaps this will cheer some readers up,
www.newswire.ca
Since the source above is Johns Hopkins University, so is this,
As of yesterday, U.S. Covid deaths per 100,000 population were almost triple ours.
As far as comparing Canada's vaccination rate to other countries, as Mick explained,
As long as we are comparing Canada to other countries, perhaps this will cheer some readers up,
Canada is the No. 1 Country in the World, According to the 2021 Best Countries Report
/CNW/ -- For the first time, Canada takes the top spot overall in the 2021 Best Countries Report, a ranking and analysis project by U.S. News & World Report;...
www.newswire.ca
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Seems like the PM is still living in a dreamland. He says there will be over 44M doses distributed by June. Let's take a peek at the numbers and see where we'll be:
Current delivered Doses as of 14 Apr: 12.7M
Pfizer Expected Doses End Apr+May: 6.1M
Moderna Expected Doses End Apr+May: 4M
J+J/AZ Doses Expected End Apr+May: No Data
Total Doses Delivered+Expected End May 21: 22.8M
Total Delta Between Promise and Expected: 21.2M
The data: Canada.ca COVID Vaccine Shipments
Even if Pfizer and Moderna keep up their dose delivery schedule (Moderna 2.8M per month and Pfizer 4M), that leaves J+J and AZ/Covishield picking up the tab for 15M doses when they've only been able to deliver 1.3M (all AZ/Covishield) since approval in March.
You're right, the data shows the PM either can't do math or is lying to Canadians, and the Federal Government has objectively failed at signing contracts to deliver COVID doses to Canadians at a reasonable rate, causing this wave to be significantly more severe than it needed to be.
While I'm not sure that a lack of supply is driving the third wave in ON, I agree that the chances of getting all Canadians their first shot by Canada Day is looking unlikely at this point, unless manufacturers can address their production and backlog issues.
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Canada and the US are tied very closely. They've got 125M people single dose and 78M of them are fully vaccinated. They're not seeing a third wave at all. Israel has 60% of its population fully vaccinated and they've gone from 8K cases per day in January to 312 yesterday. I think that's pretty good evidence that vaccination would have stopped this wave in its tracks.
Altair
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You're being purposely disingenuous. You are not counting the deliveries coming in June.
By the end of June, when Pfizer is going to dump 9.6 million doses on us alone, the totals will be
Pfizer: 23.3m
Moderna: 14.2m
AZ: 6.4m
And that is not counting the J&J doses coming in, and not counting getting a portion of the AZ that the USA has stockpiled and is likely to never use.
In the article you posted, the PM has said
"Trudeau has said that based on the overall quarterly agreements from Canada’s approved vaccine manufacturers, by June the government is expecting to have received more than 44 million doses, enough that every eligible person should be able to receive their first shot by Canada Day."
Count the June numbers and you fix the problem.
June numbers.
June numbers.
June numbers.
You seem to want the Canadian response to be on par with the USA and the UK. Because those are the only 2 countries who have done better than Canada in the G20.
And that's fine, it is you right to expect Canada to be on par with them, however unreasonable.
While we are on the subject of unreasonable expectations lets compare Canadian nuclear weapons to those in the UK and USA.
Wait, we don't produce nukes?
Makes it kind of hard to compare...
Altair
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Don't let @PuckChaser trick you.
Pfizer is dumping 9.6 million vaccines on Canada in June alone.
Pfizers numbers by the end of June alone will be 23.3m alone
The adult population of Canada will likely be mostly covered by Pfizer alone by Canada day.
Remember that we do not need to vaccinate every Canadian, we need to vaccinate every adult Canadian. Unless people expect to start jabbing every minor who we do not have significant studies done on, or any regulatory permissions to do so?
Even Israel has only vaccinated 60 odd percent of the population. Why? Those under 18 are not being vaccinated. So they have reached the upper band of those they are able to vaccinate.
While Israel has a lot of children running around, 60-65 percent is where everyone is going to end up. Having 43 million vaccines by the end of june will cover every adult Canadian, at least once by Canada day.
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Sigh.......and I'm winning Lottomax in July. Can I start making promises to my debtors now??
Altair
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I love that people said that Canada couldn't make the September deadline, saying that Canada messed up procurement and would never make that deadline.
Now that the schedule has been pushed up to early July, people are saying they wont meet that deadline. And I'm laughing, because as a country that doesn't produce any vaccines we are 3rd on the G20, ahead of the major countries of Europe, getting the top tier of vaccines in Pfizer and Moderna, and not junk like Sinovac and Sputnik (if you think AZ sucks) all while not making a single vaccine.
This is on par with having the 4th biggest air force and 5th biggest navy at the end of WW2, a great performance by a middle power.
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