Canadian Federal Election 44 - Sep 2021

[dapaterson]

Leadership lesson: Give people something to inspire them; don't assume they'll follow you just because you think you're great.

 

[Remius]

Leadership lesson: Give people something to inspire them; don't assume they'll follow you just because you think you're great.

Another lesson: the CPC can actually run a campaign on the issues without resorting to childish attacks and hair jokes. People will actually listen. Good on O’toole for changing the volume.

 

[lenaitch]

So it seems some CPC volunteers were in that agressive protest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-candidate-trudeau-rally-1.6156959

O’toole, I think gave an appropriate response. But yeah, this might get capitalized on by the LPC.

I get the sense, but don't know for certain, that there is probably a core of faces following them around, at least regionally, likely organized or coordinated on social media. If it becomes a regular thing, it might hurt the CPC even if they try to distance themselves from it.

I saw some media coverage on the Bolton incident. Young kids showing the middle finger (probably mimicking) surrounded by 'adults; yelling profanities. That's some good parenting there.

 

[mariomike]

Another lesson: the CPC can actually run a campaign on the issues without resorting to childish attacks and hair jokes.

It takes more than nice hair to get in.

So long as you have two of the three qualifying criteria: woke; nice hair; nice socks, you’re in!

 

[Quirky]

Canadians, by and large, never gave a shit about Afghanistan. It’s already faded from the news cycle.

Which begs the question, what do Canadians care about? Ethics? Nope. Black face? Not that. Insane debt? Absolutely not. Ummm ahhh ehhh? You get my vote!

 

[SeaKingTacco]

If the polling trend line continues (I doubt it will, past the long weekend- the Liberals, being the governing party, have consideable resources at their disposal), this could be a 1993 level beat down (on the Liberals, this time).

It has me wondering if even labour/unions are considering jumping ship from the NDP to CPC? Unionized labour has not exactly had their concerns taken seriously lately by the NDP, as they have moved ever environmental, woke and urban.

EOT is giving a master class right now on running a positive, substantive, serious campaign. May it continue and may the other parties follow suit running positive campaigns, on the issues!

 

[RangerRay]

If the polling trend line continues (I doubt it will, past the long weekend- the Liberals, being the governing party, have consideable resources at their disposal), this could be a 1993 level beat down (on the Liberals, this time).

It has me wondering if even labour/unions are considering jumping ship from the NDP to CPC? Unionized labour has not exactly had their concerns taken seriously lately by the NDP, as they have moved ever environmental, woke and urban.

EOT is giving a master class right now on running a positive, substantive, serious campaign. May it continue and may the other parties follow suit running positive campaigns, on the issues!

Everything I have heard is that organized labour still considers Mr O’Toole and the CPC as evil incarnate, but that O’Toole is working hard to appeal to blue-collar and union membership at large.

 

[Haggis]

Everything I have heard is that organized labour still considers Mr O’Toole and the CPC as evil incarnate, but that O’Toole is working hard to appeal to blue-collar and union membership at large.

My union and it's parent union have already asked us not to vote CPC. That has generated a lot of pushback on social media.

 

[MilEME09]

Everything I have heard is that organized labour still considers Mr O’Toole and the CPC as evil incarnate, but that O’Toole is working hard to appeal to blue-collar and union membership at large.

If he could some how get auto and steel production I'm southern Ontario going again he wouldn't probably win a few over.

 

[Remius]

If the polling trend line continues (I doubt it will, past the long weekend- the Liberals, being the governing party, have consideable resources at their disposal), this could be a 1993 level beat down (on the Liberals, this time).

It has me wondering if even labour/unions are considering jumping ship from the NDP to CPC? Unionized labour has not exactly had their concerns taken seriously lately by the NDP, as they have moved ever environmental, woke and urban.

EOT is giving a master class right now on running a positive, substantive, serious campaign. May it continue and may the other parties follow suit running positive campaigns, on the issues!

Wishful thinking. The LPC won’t be reduced to two seats.

agreed, I’m pleased with how he’s running things. He needs to win or else he’ll be eaten by his own party.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Wishful thinking. The LPC won’t be reduced to two seats.

agreed, I’m pleased with how he’s running things. He needs to win or else he’ll be eaten by his own party.

2 seat? No, probably not. Behind the NDP? It has happened before.

Are you saying that if EOT moves the seat count from 119 to 169 seats, the CPC will dump him?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

My union and it's parent union have already asked us not to vote CPC. That has generated a lot of pushback on social media.

This is what I am hearing- union rank & file are diverging from union leadership on various issues. That alone could get messy- for the union leadership.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If the polling trend line continues (I doubt it will, past the long weekend- the Liberals, being the governing party, have consideable resources at their disposal), this could be a 1993 level beat down (on the Liberals, this time).

It has me wondering if even labour/unions are considering jumping ship from the NDP to CPC? Unionized labour has not exactly had their concerns taken seriously lately by the NDP, as they have moved ever environmental, woke and urban.

EOT is giving a master class right now on running a positive, substantive, serious campaign. May it continue and may the other parties follow suit running positive campaigns, on the issues!

You can't use unionized labour as all encompassing. A large number of powerful unions do what they were designed to do. Take care of worker safety in the workplace and bargain fair wage and benefits for fair work, while refraining from spending millions to advertise for the NDP or Liberals. They stay clear and use members dues for members benefits and don't involve themselves in politics. Then you have UNIFOR, Public Service Unions, including Teachers Unions. Some of the richest, overstepping, we'll dictate what the province does, egotistical pricks ever borne by nature. I know Ken Lewenza on a personal and professional basis. He's a fucking communist. He designed UNIFOR to be the largest, most influential, union/political party in Canada. I sat at a table, in the canteen at Chrysler, Plant 3, almost 40 years ago when he was a shift steward espousing his communist crap. Be careful lumping unions as one. They are not. Unfortunately, the largest, most financially rich, and communist unions are not unions, but pseudo political parties only supporting elected parties that will bend to their dogma, spending member dues against union members political stance and approval. UNIFOR is huge. They want to ban guns. Thousands of members hunt, own guns, target shoot and pay dues. Where does their membership du3s go? To the anti gun lobby, with grants to dozens of anti gun groups working against their wishes and freedom. Not all unions are our enemy. UNIFOR is. And it is definitely and actively pursuing a socialist society instead of keeping workers safe and financially stable. UNIFOR is a political party, not a union.

 

[Remius]

2 seat? No, probably not. Behind the NDP? It has happened before.

Are you saying that if EOT moves the seat count from 119 to 169 seats, the CPC will dump him?

Anything short of a minority gvt and they will dump him yes. So he has to win. If he does then the CPC will move more to the center, if he loses I expect the fringe elements to appear again.

 

[Infanteer]

UNIFOR is huge. They want to ban guns. Thousands of members hunt, own guns, target shoot and pay dues. Where does their membership du3s go? To the anti gun lobby, with grants to dozens of anti gun groups working against their wishes and freedom.

What the hell would gun laws have to do with a trade union? Weird.

 

[OldSolduer]

What the hell would gun laws have to do with a trade union? Weird.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

What the hell would gun laws have to do with a trade union? Weird.

Ask UNIFOR. They are anti gun and send support money (members dues) to Cukier, et al. It's not just guns, but abortion, immigration, environmental policy and more.Did you miss the part that they aren't a trade union, but a political party? They were political when I was UAW at Ford in the 60's, even more so when I was CAW, at Chrysler in the 80's. Once Lewenza amalgamated the other big unions in Canada to become UNIFOR, they became, probably, the most politically influential block of political supporters in Canada. Whether the membership agrees with the executives views or not.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

What the hell would gun laws have to do with a trade union? Weird.

Nothing,....but all those years I was a Steward I only went to one OPSEU convention, it was nothing but 3 days of NDP are God and capitalism is the antichrist. The breaking point where I finally went home was a good 2 hour lecture on why Coca cola can no longer be sold in OPSEU places......

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Nothing,....but all those years I was a Steward I only went to one OPSEU convention, it was nothing but 3 days of NDP are God and capitalism is the antichrist. The breaking point where I finally went home was a good 2 hour lecture on why Coca cola can no longer be sold in OPSEU places......

Likely because Pepsi offered to pay for their next convention. Because that is exactly how fickle and shallow these assholes are. They have money, power and influence to toss around willy nilly. Members have dues automatically removed from their pay. Most only look at the net amount of the check and don't know how much they are paying in dues, let alone where it's going and who it's supporting. That's the excutives job, members don't need to know.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Sorry for the derail folks but it does explain not to confuse what Unions say to what their members think.

[it was because they were using scabs in some South American country, meanwhile we were staring at a few more years of "zero's or 'spending neutral'......want a raise?...lose benefits.]