CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]

[Inch]

We did an Ex with the JTF and they said they get spec 2??  Must not want to tell us about secret squirrel pay.  I though when you re muster to JTF you get a new MOC?? Even there support element.  They told us you effectively go to LS/CPL rank as soon as you sign over if your a private.  We had a little requiting brief in the main cave.

All the guys I've ever met still had their original MOC. To my knowledge, JTF is an employment, not a trade.

Secret squirrel pay can be found in the pay tables.
http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/cbi/engraph/home_e.asp?sidesection=6&Section=205.385&sidecat=22&Chapter=205#205.385

 

[Collin.t]

Um 276 is the old nesop trade number. What do u think a Nesop does? Interception and direction finding plus other jobs. I am a ew analyst in Ottawa.  Thats funny a year to learn morse?  Navcomms have much less time to learn morse plus many other things. So does that mean 291ers are really really slow?

sorry was really late when I posted the reply, but a year is the QL3 duration and you listen to morse code almost everyday during that time, contrary to navcomm they don't send morse code, they listen to it.

 

[axeman]

What the heck trade is Cert 3 Stokers - if they are Spec 2 and lumped in with the boys in Orange and Squirrels - they must be some pretty elite coal shovelers.

they are by inlarge the ppl that know the ship at every rivit and bulkhead the operating peramiters [sp] of each and every system that drives the ship.while doing duty rounds there this weekend i was amazed what a cert 3 stoker we have on board knows about evry system that in held in the hull .. not only his but the et's and the ht's.  you want to know dry and factual. valve lift points valve 1/2 set and ful open perssures  what do they need to be able to draw cold from memory 64 + systems? . man as a ht  i go to they system specialist and ask him / her before i crack a valve . if a stoker has to do that he  has just shown a basic lack of his systems ... he may get posted from a 280 toa frigate but he will be expected to know the systems ,,, i may not like having to deal wi the the retards who flush deck rags and what damages it incrues to they system i deal with but i wont trade my adze and mallet for the prop and guages

 

[NCRCrow]

I have not heard a NAVCOMM ever listen to morse code. As it is officially dead since 1994.

Are u RMS?

 

[Collin.t]

did the comm rsch QL3 until the last 2 weeks, then remustered to RMS (big mistake don't ask why)

 

[Navy_Blue]

Thanks inch I wasn't sure.  I was sure they said they get spec 2 though.  They are almost an other element onto them selves figured they had there own MOC.  I guess though keep it simple.

 

[hugh19]

Navcomms might not listen to morse, but they do send and receive it by flashing light.

 

[Melbatoast]

Navcomms might not listen to morse, but they do send and receive it by flashing light.

Yep, they do this fairly often.  And semaphore, too.  Walk by N50 at almost any time of year and there will be QL3 Navcomms in the parking lot reading lights.

 

[NCRCrow]

Semaphore is flags and reading light is morse.

But NAVCOMMS do not listen to it. Well, not on Reg Force ships anyway.

Whats with quitting  or remustering 2 weeks near the end?

Anyway none of my biznazz!

Whats with Canada anyway...its 2-0 Finland

 

[Collin.t]

well long story short I was only planning to do my IE back then, so I didnt see much perspective as a comm rsch in that time span except for listening to morse code, which was really driving me nuts.

Switch to RMS to get a posting out west.

 

[Melbatoast]

But NAVCOMMS do not listen to it. Well, not on Reg Force ships anyway.

I think the point is that Navcomms do Morse all the time.  Whether it's reading lights or listening to it is pretty irrelevant, as it's the same code.

 

[NCRCrow]

okay.....................so NAVCOMMS get spec...........

pretty soon the INT OPS will want it....cut...paste....sign..........INT QL5 ........complete

 

[TAS278]

What the heck trade is Cert 3 Stokers - if they are Spec 2 and lumped in with the boys in Orange and Squirrels - they must be some pretty elite coal shovelers.

That is hilarious. Made me laugh out loud

 

[pteosborne]

I was wondering if any knew the answer to a couple of questions
no one around here seems to know the answer to.
I'm currently attending course (AVN) in CFASTE.

1. when do you recieve your first chevron?
2. when do you start recieving spec pay? ???

Tks.

 

[Eagle_Eye_View]

You receive your first chevron after 3 years in service. You'll see your spec pay once you finish your rotation or QL5A.
cheers

 

[cp140tech]

  The chevron will be presented to you ideally at the 30 month mark, or whenever they get around to giving it to you.  It doesn't really mean much, it just lets people know that you've been around long enough to know better. 
  You start drawing spec pay when you're promoted to corporal.  It used to be that you would get spec pay as a Cpl no matter what, my roommate in Borden was ex Air Defense, he drew spec pay the whole time he was on his AVN 3's course.  I believe you need your QL 5's to draw it now, but there are no spec Pte pay levels, so if you've got your 5's as a Pte, you still wait until you're promoted to get the extra pay.....  that was what happened in my case anyhow.

 

[pteosborne]

thanks guys.
cpl140tech how long till you were QL5 qualified after leaving CFSATE?

 

[childs56]

You do 18 months in Borden, trades training
After three years in you will receive your first hook.
After 4 years you will receive your Cpls.
Once you arrive at your first posting after your trades training you will have to do a OJT time on the specific A/C. How long this takes to complete depends on the fleet, usually 6 months.
During your OJT you will have to attend HPAMA training, and A/C general introduction.
Once you have completed your OJT you will have to attend your type course. Again the length of time to attend the course or to finish it depends on your A/C type.

    All said and done for a new recruit coming into the Forces, you should be able to attain Cpl Spec with in 4 years of joining. Although there may be exceptions to this either longer or less, I would plan on 4 year time frame. (Same as Civie side 4-5 year apprentice)

Good luck and hope that Borden isn't filling you with to many false promises

 

[pteosborne]

Good luck and hope that Borden isn't filling you with to many false promises

Thanks for the timeframe.

P.S. no false hope here just dream crushing horror.  :crybaby:




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[cp140tech]

thanks guys.
cpl140tech how long till you were QL5 qualified after leaving CFSATE?

 
  I honestly can't remember for certain, probably about 18 months or so. 
  It's quite a bit different here in Greenwood with the new guys coming in now, much more structured and controlled.  They're still working out the details of the new CP 140/A AVN type training where the guys coming off the longer course are concerned.  The guys have been doing a common servicing phase, and then moving onto a type course.... for AVN, it's either propulsion - engines of course, or flight systems - everything else, like weapons, airframe, safety systems.  The type courses are 4 or 5 months long I believe, but don't quote me, things are in a fairly constant state of flux, at least on this fleet.  The AVS guys are along the same lines, but do a common communications core with a specialty in tactical, or navigation systems.... I'm not even going to pretend to explain the differences..... all the AVS stuff is acronyms and I haven't a clue what they're talking about half the time.
  Any other questions feel free to ask.

  hope you're having fun in Borden....

  chris