CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]

[Navy_Blue]

Allow me to shake up the hornets nest for a sec.  > 

As a LS MAREL on my tech course and being payed at IPC level 1 and soon 2, I was expecting to get off course and get LS with an IPC 2 and spec pay.   Not so now.   I guess back in 2004 a new policy came into effect and now when I finish my course I will be knocked back to LS basic with spec pay.   It is still a raise but seriously why screw people who have worked so hard to get this training?  If I was at IPC 4, I would be making 16$ more a pay after taxes when I complete my course.  So an LS MAREL with four years in rank will only make 16$ less.  Not quite right...

To take it a step further PO2 Stokers once they get their cert 3 and start getting spec 2 will go back to basic IPC again too.  They will not be happy with this.

There will always be people who get boned in a transition period but why do they even need to change this.

Not many happy MSE types at the school right now  :rage:

 

[17thRecceSgt]

This is weird.  How can you "take away" someone's IPC?????  Never heard of THAT before...

 

[navymich]

Ditto with what Mud said.  I've never heard of it either.

I'm searching for the policy that you are speaking about Navy_Blue, but nothing yet.  Do you have the reference for it?

As well, I can't really understand why there would be so many unhappy people at the school.  Yes, I understand they are unhappy about losing their IPC, but if this policy has been in effect for a couple years, shouldn't the information be widely known by now?

 

[Navy_Blue]

IPC is pay level right???  So LS has up to level 4.  Well when we go to LS Tech we will get knocked back now.  Our Div cell came over this morning and informed us.  I will get the msg from the reg office tomorow. 

:warstory:

 

[Navalsnpr]

I received an email from one of the trade advisors indicating exactly what Navy_Blue stated, which is a new policy.

When you achieve your QL5 qualification, only at that point will the pay system will grant you Specialist Pay. If you happened to be at IPC 4 at a LS/CPL Standard, then on completion of your QL5 you will shift over to "IPC Basic" in the Spec 1 column.

This also appies to the NET(T); NET(A); NETC) & NWT trades as well

Current Pay rates can be also viewed at:

Regular Force Non Commissioned Members (NCM) Rates

 

[17thRecceSgt]

I bet that don't put THAT policy on the recruiting brochures.

Ok so it is a policy.  The obvious question is...why??????????

 

[Navalsnpr]

Ok so it is a policy.  The obvious question is...why??????????

I don't know why it was changed, but I do know that the upper ranks of my trade know about it and understand that it is a issue.

 

[17thRecceSgt]

roger.  I am not trying to be outta my lane being a green-machine type, but this IS odd.  Thanks for the info.

Mud

 

[navymich]

If the policy went into effect in 2004, why is it just coming to light now?  Or is it actually more of a recent thing?

Navalsnipr, how did it work when you got your spec pay, just across the board maintaining IPC?

This is an interesting hornets nest, as you call it Navy_Blue.  It will be interesting to see how this effects component transfers (and regular recruiting) as well, as I know that the spec pay is a great enticement.

 

[Navy_Blue]

The courses that started in 04/05 would have been grandfathered to the old way.  The courses starting late 05/06 will be the the new way once they graduate.  Most MSE and CSE tech courses last for a year plus so it took that long for anyone it would effect to clue in.

I don't know for sure but now that half the CF gets spec pay some officer/bureaucrat in Ottawa must have had an Epiphany and realized we could save allot of cash if we switch the way we pay our specialists.  That would be my guess.  There has been a movement afoot to increase the number of IPC's LS/CPL have, this would be a way to say "hey look guys...you have 8!!! levels now isn't that great!!!"   :threat:

The people this new policy bones the most is the new Cert 3 stokers.  I would be pissed if I worked that hard to get spec 2 and got shafted like this.

 

[navymich]

Thank you for the clarification on this.  It doesn't effect me, but it is nice to stay on top of stuff like this in the fleet.  Maybe now that the word is finally getting out about this, changes will be made.  Highly unlikely I know, but one can always hope.

I have been hearing the rumour about more IPC levels for LS for years now.  On one hand, it would be good to have, similar to Lt(N) where you can end up being for years.  But knowing the luck, they will just keep the same pay difference from basic to 8, that they have from basic to 4 and just make the the increases smaller.  But that's another topic for discussion.  ;D

 

[Navy_Blue]

As far as I know this is forces wide so you Army and Zoomy guys out there let your friends know.  I doubt we have any grounds to redress this but you never know. 

Everyone should know when they are going to kicked in the sack.

Cheers

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Well, there's my interest, I am CTing to 226 (ATIS) in the Air Force, and...when they make me an offer it will include my IPC (expecting IPC 4).

And then they think they are gonna take my IPC away and make me Cpl Base?  LMAO.  Right.  After 17 years in...Cpl O.  good one.

I am curious...is your trade one of those "you will be given A/Cpl" as a signing incentive?  But you don't really have enough TI for Cpl/LS??

 

[navymich]

Everyone should know when they are going to kicked in the sack.

Guess I'm okay then.... ;D

But seriously, what Mud said.  I wasn't thinking outside of the Navy spectrum.  My first choice for CT is AESOp, so this could effect me also.  Definitely something to keep an eye on.

 

[Navy_Blue]

I've been a LS for 2 years, three guys on my course have maxed out IPC for LS.  Your not going to loose money its just less than expected now.  Really when you get down to it though its still crappy. 

So mud if this works like they are saying you will be CPL max level 4 till you graduate and then will shift back to CPL basic with spec pay.  If you look at the pay scale that is 86$ a month more before taxes.

Again we're not loosing money.  The CF is starting to pinch pennies now if they are pulling stuff like this.

Sorry to darken you Monday 

 

[axeman]

 

i was grandfathered into spec pay when i went HT  00124. and was bumped down to lvl 0 IPC now am slowly regaining the IPC lvls i lost.
they will have a real fight if when i go for my 5's if they drop me down again ..

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[navymich]

 

i was grandfathered into spec pay when i went HT  00124. and was bumped down to lvl 0 IPC now am slowly regaining the IPC lvls i lost.
they will have a real fight if when i go for my 5's if they drop me down again ..

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Sorry, I'm confused.  If you were grandfathered in, why were you dropped IPC's then?  My understanding of the grandfathering in, is that you wouldn't have fallen under the new system Navy_Blue is talking about.  As well, I am assuming that HT is Hull Tech (not up on my MOSID's yet to confirm that), yet your profile says infantry.  ???

 

[axeman]

ah yes ill update that one day sigh.the reason i dropped was the fact that i went into a whole new trade system i was granfathered into spec py but when you draw it now  you drop down to the base lvl ie 5a vs 5 b  . sigh its still a raise  but then its better the a kick in the junk

 

[navymich]

Thank you for the clarification axeman

 

[Navalsnpr]

If this affects you or your trade, then it should be brought up to your MOC advisors and during the current rounds of MOSART briefings as a dis-satisfier.