Attempted assassination of Donald Trump 13 July 2024

[lenaitch]

If only cops had some easily identifiable uniforms in conspicuous colours like blue...big aside but the militarization of the police in the USA is under-studied and incredibly disturbing. These Gravy SEAL cops dress and LARP that their SOF, despite having the exact opposite goals.

I'm not sure what "gravy SEAL cops and LARP" means, but there has actually been a fair degree of study into police uniforms and colours. I'm not aware of what has gone on in the US in relation to uniforms and colours, but their National Institute of Justice has done some impressive research on all sorts of law enforcement related topics.

In Ontario, particularly the OPP, a lot of research went into the switch from light to dark blue shirts and the colour worn by their tactical teams; both as a result of operational incidents.

 

[lenaitch]

Women are statistically better shots than men, mostly due to their more stable body shape. Why aren't all our snipers women?

I don't know the factors behind that, but my wife was an example (a tad unnerving). Just anecdotal, but it struck me that the male-female distribution was different. With men, there would a few really good 'natural' shots, a few really bad, and a big middle of 'ok' shooters. With female, more really good ones but also more really bad ones, with a smaller middle cohort.

There's probably all sorts of reasons why more don't sign up for it.

 

[FJAG]

I'm not sure what "gravy SEAL cops and LARP" means,

Gravy Seal - see picture below.

LRAP - Live Action Role Playing. - see same picture above.

 

[The Bread Guy]

And some more details from CNN on the team in the building as well as the rooftop not being manned...


...so not on an "unscheduled lunch break".

And as to why they were on the 2nd floor rather than the roof?

The highlighted might not have been such a big deal if access to the roof was properly secured.

[edited to add a link to the CNN page where these items were originally posted]

Funny thing about that "sloped roof bit" - prepare for "too much time on his hands" digging results ....

Some MSM (like the CNN link shared above) do quote the SecSvc director saying exactly that ....

A number of other outlets (mostly right-ish media and amplification sites) are quoting the same line, in quotes.

Trump rally shooter was identified as 'potential person of suspicion,' Secret Service director says

United States Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle says ‘the buck stops with me.'

www.fox10phoenix.com

Secret Service boss cites hazard of putting agent on 'sloped roof'

Embattled Secret Service head Kimberly Cheatle said in an interview the 'buck stops' with her, and said a decision was made not to post an agent on a 'sloped roof' that a shooter used to fire on Trump.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Secret Service Director Speaks Out, Reveals Key Security Risk At Trump Rally They Were Aware Of

The Secret Service Director, Kimberly Cheatle, formally acknowledged the fault on her part for the shooting at Donald Trump's rally.

www.wideopencountry.com

I haven't found the full video of the ABC "Good Morning America" interview in question, but there WAS a posting on ABC's FB feed, though, showing what looks like some version of the interview or a summary. That post now seems to have disappeared - here's what the summary looked like before it vanished (thanks to Google Cache):

That last link in blue doesn't work anymore, either. Only video I can find so far is this TikTok shorter summary story generated by ABC News - with no mention of the sloped roof ...

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7392207991484730667

ABC's latest story on the interview doesn't mention the roof slope detail, though ...

Another example of why one has to take things with a big grain of salt in the early days - and this still is pretty early days for something this big, and involving this many agencies having to line up a whole lotta slices of Swiss cheese.

 

[PrairieFella]

I don't know the factors behind that, but my wife was an example (a tad unnerving). Just anecdotal, but it struck me that the mle-female distribution was different. With men, there would a few really good 'natural' shots, a few really bad, and a big middle of 'ok' shooters. With female, more really good ones but also more really bad ones, with a smaller middle cohort.

There's probably all sorts of reasons why more don't sign up for it.

I think this might be a confirmation bias. There are more worse female shots as women are a lot less likely to shoot as a hobby or hunt. There are more bad shots because the percentage of women with zero experience in the general population is probably higher than men (who may be amateurs but are more likely to have some trigger time plinking cans or using grandpa's 303 on a deer hunt).

In my (limited) experience teaching a couple dozen courses, women are always easier to train on marksmanship and once they get comfortable are crack shots at a higher rate than the dudes.

 

[dapaterson]

Haley Joel Osmond

Clearly you're not a Sondheim fan.

 

[suffolkowner]

I was told it had to do with breathing/heart rate

 

[The Bread Guy]

Clearly you're not a Sondheim fan.

When will his oppression end, right?

 

[Maxman1]

Far too many people cheering this event. I fear for what happens next.

Including some in the CAF.

Canadian military investigating soldiers over Trump assassination posts

The Canadian Armed Forces are investigating two of its members over social media posts lamenting that the attempted assassination of former U.S. president Donald Trump was unsuccessful.

tnc.news

 

[Maxman1]

Ever notice Presidential assassin (or attempted assassins) always use their middle name…

Except for Squeaky Fromme and Giuseppe Zangara.

 

[Maxman1]

the sniper who was likely told not to engage

Source: a 4chan shitpost.

 

[dapaterson]

Except for Squeaky Fromme and Giuseppe Zangara.

And Leon Czolgosz.

 

[jackamela]

Including some in the CAF.

Canadian military investigating soldiers over Trump assassination posts

The Canadian Armed Forces are investigating two of its members over social media posts lamenting that the attempted assassination of former U.S. president Donald Trump was unsuccessful.

tnc.news

Wow.....

 

[Brad Sallows]

So I suppose someone will explain to Cheatle that you don't have to occupy an objective to keep it under observation.

 

[dapaterson]

And Leon Czolgosz.

And Charles Guiteau.

 

[TacticalTea]

If only cops had some easily identifiable uniforms in conspicuous colours like blue...big aside but the militarization of the police in the USA is under-studied and incredibly disturbing. These Gravy SEAL cops dress and LARP that their SOF, despite having the exact opposite goals.

I'm still laughing at the big fat guy with the NVGs

 

[lenaitch]

Gravy Seal - see picture below.

LRAP - Live Action Role Playing. - see same picture above.

Thanks.

The fella on the left cuts quite a figure. It looks like he has his bum on backwards. Seems he has the 'gravy' part down to a science.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Gravy Seal - see picture below.

LRAP - Live Action Role Playing. - see same picture above.

"Adopt the prone position."

 

[TacticalTea]

I don't know the factors behind that, but my wife was an example (a tad unnerving). Just anecdotal, but it struck me that the male-female distribution was different. With men, there would a few really good 'natural' shots, a few really bad, and a big middle of 'ok' shooters. With female, more really good ones but also more really bad ones, with a smaller middle cohort.

There's probably all sorts of reasons why more don't sign up for it.

At a glance, I'd guess that if Brihard is correct, then of those women who are more interested in things > individuals, have corresponding greater hand eye coordination, and that are less prone to negative emotions, then they are dispositioned to leverage their body's physical advantage.

For those who aren't, the advantage cannot be exploited and they fall well below average.

 

[KevinB]

So I suppose someone will explain to Cheatle that you don't have to occupy an objective to keep it under observation.

More correctly I think you can tell Butler PD that occupying a building doesn't cause the roof from being used

At a glance, I'd guess that if Brihard is correct, then of those women who are more interested in things > individuals, have corresponding greater hand eye coordination, and that are less prone to negative emotions, then they are dispositioned to leverage their body's physical advantage.

For those who aren't, the advantage cannot be exploited and they fall well below average.

Honestly based on a few studies about coaching shooters, it is that women for the most part listen better, and thus learn faster, and don't have preconceived notions that they are master shooters already. Based on my own experiences, the student being willing to learn and accept the teaching (given a good coach) is the biggest factor. My biggest problem with teaching female shooters rifle stuff, is trying to figure out how to work with their anatomy, especially bigger breasted women, as they cannot place the buttstock where I would outside of the prone - so I have trouble with that -- and I admit that is a coach issue, not a student issue.
Now for fast follow up shots, having muscle helps control the recoil - both pistol and rifle - so physical strength and size help (to a point).