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Who were the other bidders? SNC gets it outright? Maybe that's why trudeau dealt away their Libya conviction and fired JWR? Otherwise, they would've been barred from government contracts for 10 years. I don't think it'll happen. It'll be too expensive for our in arrears bank book. Of course SNC will win millions in cancelled contract penalties. More government largesse for doing nothing.
 
Who were the other bidders? SNC gets it outright? Maybe that's why trudeau dealt away their Libya conviction and fired JWR? Otherwise, they would've been barred from government contracts for 10 years. I don't think it'll happen. It'll be too expensive for our in arrears bank book. Of course SNC will win millions in cancelled contract penalties. More government largesse for doing nothing.

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Who were the other bidders? SNC gets it outright? Maybe that's why trudeau dealt away their Libya conviction and fired JWR? Otherwise, they would've been barred from government contracts for 10 years. I don't think it'll happen. It'll be too expensive for our in arrears bank book. Of course SNC will win millions in cancelled contract penalties. More government largesse for doing nothing.

SNC is in too deep with the LPC now. They could green-light a sarin gas plant inside a Residential School.
 
Who were the other bidders? SNC gets it outright? Maybe that's why trudeau dealt away their Libya conviction and fired JWR? Otherwise, they would've been barred from government contracts for 10 years. I don't think it'll happen. It'll be too expensive for our in arrears bank book. Of course SNC will win millions in cancelled contract penalties. More government largesse for doing nothing.
There was I believe a Korean and a Japanese anchored consortium respectively. Ultimately the French one (SNCF) won out, which is a good thing SNCF are super good HSR operators.
 
There was I believe a Korean and a Japanese anchored consortium respectively. Ultimately the French one (SNCF) won out, which is a good thing SNCF are super good HSR operators.
Cadence is the builder. Cadence is a consortium of Air Canada, AtkinsRéalis and SNCF. The railway will be called Alto.

AtkinsRéalis is the new name for SNC Lavalin.
 
Wondering how many level crossings there are in the Montreal-Toronto corridor. 300 km/hr into Farmer Levesque’s plow or into Johnny’s bicycle will make for interesting news.
 
Wondering how many level crossings there are in the Montreal-Toronto corridor. 300 km/hr into Farmer Levesque’s plow or into Johnny’s bicycle will make for interesting news.
You can't have at level crossings for HSR. They should all be grade separated.
 
I would hope the project would be funded entirely by Ontario and Quebec taxes only. Similar to Vancouvers extra gas tax.
Naw. This nation-building donchaknow. I suspect if there is enough noise from the west that they would throw ffederal money at a Calgary-Edmonton link.

Who were the other bidders? SNC gets it outright? Maybe that's why trudeau dealt away their Libya conviction and fired JWR? Otherwise, they would've been barred from government contracts for 10 years. I don't think it'll happen. It'll be too expensive for our in arrears bank book. Of course SNC will win millions in cancelled contract penalties. More government largesse for doing nothing.
Here's a Wiki breakdown of bidders and winners, plus ALTO's website. It's a lot of pretty words right now.


 
All of it ridiculous......we are NOT Japan nor Europe, we don't have all of our people rammed into little spaces, and we need to stop pretending we do.
Edmonton to Calgary? Oh great, now I'm in Edmonton without a vehicle....oh wait, all I have to do is waste an hour each way to St Albert on the city bus or $50 on a taxi.....and still have to find transportation once there.

I just looked at the GO train lines here in Ontario since I can get on for free March 1st. Well, going to do each line once just to see what I can see, and then probably never take them again.....
 
I’d be curious to see a use / demand analysis on this. I’m ambivalent- I definitely don’t know enough to say.

I spend enough time looking at stuff on Flightradar to see a regular stream of flights on the Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto triangle. There’s certainly some demand there, and that’s with the hassle of clearing through an airport. I use to travel Via between Ottawa and Kingston regularly, I’ve traveled on SNCF high speed in France, and commuter rail (not Shinkansen, sadly) in Japan- show up with a ticket paid and walk on. Walk off at the other end. If the stations link in with other transportation infrastructure and are convenient to business / entertainment centres, I could see there being use. Would I hop a train for a good concert in Montreal or Toronto? Yeah, absolutely.

If this got built and ran reliably, suddenly having time efficient movement between the involved cities would certainly open up some other economic/lifestyle options.

I’m not sure if there‘a a real reason for Peterborough other than it simply happens to be a well placed dot on the map relative to Ottawa and Toronto, but this could be a real win for that city.
 
All of it ridiculous......we are NOT Japan nor Europe, we don't have all of our people rammed into little spaces, and we need to stop pretending we do.
Edmonton to Calgary? Oh great, now I'm in Edmonton without a vehicle....oh wait, all I have to do is waste an hour each way to St Albert on the city bus or $50 on a taxi.....and still have to find transportation once there.

I just looked at the GO train lines here in Ontario since I can get on for free March 1st. Well, going to do each line once just to see what I can see, and then probably never take them again.....
HSR is a great idea for getting rid of air traffic if the routes are travelled heavily enough to justify the cost. But most people taking the train do it to travel from London to Kitchener or, yes, Edmonton to Calgary: in other words a short haul. I personally would love to be able to avoid driving across Toronto and travel Oakville to Trenton but I only have one choice, leaving at 5:30 and I have to change trains in Toronto. I get 3 other choices if I want to go to Belleville but all require the transfer. If we want to eliminate some traffic we need to develop an inter-city system that actually connects communities and instead of simply catering to business travel between a couple of cities and one doesn't need a 300 kph walled-off track to achieve that. If your train can attain 150 or better between towns you will be offering a better service than the 401 but only if you increase frequency so a client can travel on his/her time and not VIA's
 
All of it ridiculous......we are NOT Japan nor Europe, we don't have all of our people rammed into little spaces, and we need to stop pretending we do.
Edmonton to Calgary? Oh great, now I'm in Edmonton without a vehicle....oh wait, all I have to do is waste an hour each way to St Albert on the city bus or $50 on a taxi.....and still have to find transportation once there.

I just looked at the GO train lines here in Ontario since I can get on for free March 1st. Well, going to do each line once just to see what I can see, and then probably never take them again.....
Not everyone wants a car, they're expensive, hold next to no value and can be inconvenient. My wife and I only have only car, and that's repeated amongst most of my friends, that no car whatsoever. Young people now appreciate good urbanism compared to past generations. Just because you don't want to take HSR, doesn't mean a shit ton of people wouldn't find this life changing. In terms of density, the St Lawrence Corridor is one of the densest corridors on the continent, comparable to some of the HSR lines running in France, Germany, Italy, etc.
 
HSR is a great idea for getting rid of air traffic if the routes are travelled heavily enough to justify the cost. But most people taking the train do it to travel from London to Kitchener or, yes, Edmonton to Calgary: in other words a short haul. I personally would love to be able to avoid driving across Toronto and travel Oakville to Trenton but I only have one choice, leaving at 5:30 and I have to change trains in Toronto. I get 3 other choices if I want to go to Belleville but all require the transfer. If we want to eliminate some traffic we need to develop an inter-city system that actually connects communities and instead of simply catering to business travel between a couple of cities and one doesn't need a 300 kph walled-off track to achieve that. If your train can attain 150 or better between towns you will be offering a better service than the 401 but only if you increase frequency so a client can travel on his/her time and not VIA's
So another consideration would be how other ground transportation might realign to hub off of or otherwise serve these stations. I don’t k of where the proposed stations will be. People will still need to get to end destinations. I don’t know if they’ll want/be able to push these right through central business districts, or alternatively have truly convenient and reliable commuter service between the HSR stations and same. I’ll take HSR to Toronto if I can conveniently then get to the hotel/concert venue. If I can’t, I won’t. Maybe I’ll drive, maybe I just won’t go to the show.
 
Naw. This nation-building donchaknow. I suspect if there is enough noise from the west that they would throw ffederal money at a Calgary-Edmonton link.


Here's a Wiki breakdown of bidders and winners, plus ALTO's website. It's a lot of pretty words right now.


Interestingly, the build effort of HSR between Edmonton and Calgary (one stop at Edmonton International, one stop in Red Deer, terminate at Calgary International?) would be orders of magnitude simpler than in the Quebec-Windsor corridor. The highway 2 corridor already has close to enough land already without a great deal of urban encroachment.

Perhaps the Alto team should be directed by the Feds to gain experience by building this route first and then do eastern Canada segments, one at a time, once they have learned some lessons. Perhaps Ottawa Montreal, first. Then extend in one direction or another after that.
 
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