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USMC SUSTAIN concept getting serious attention

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Some of you may have read of the USMC's "SUSTAIN" ( Small Unit Space Transport and Insertion ) concept. Well it is attracting serious attention, and was recently discussed by military planners. SUSTAIN would be wildly challenging to pull off, and I suspect the closest analogue to SUSTAIN would be the Glider Infantry of WWII, but it is really out of the box thinking, for sure:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3772336&c=AME&s=TOP

U.S. Eyes Reaction Force That Rockets Into Space
By TOM VANDEN BROOK, usa today
Published: 14 Oct 15:51 EDT (19:51 GMT)  Print  |    Email

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon wants to rocket troops through space to hot spots anywhere on the globe within two hours, and planners spent two days last month discussing how to do it, military documents show.

Civilian and military officials held a two-day conference at the National Security Space Office to plan development of the Small Unit Space Transport and Insertion (SUSTAIN) program. The invitation to the conference called the notion of space troopers a "potential revolutionary step in getting combat power to any point in the world in a timeframe unachievable today." Attendees included senior Army, Marine, Navy and Air Force officers.

The next steps toward getting troops in space: addressing the technological challenges and seeking input from the military, said Air Force Lt. Col. Mark Brown, a space office spokesman. No further meetings have been scheduled.

Marines launched the concept after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. They needed the "capability to transport small, mission-tailored units through space from any point on the globe to a contingency at any other point on the globe" within minutes of an order, according to a Marine document.

Some critics are skeptical. The concept defies physics and the reality of what a small number of lightly armed troops could accomplish in enemy territory, said John Pike, a military analyst who runs Globalsecurity.org.

"This isn't even science fiction," Pike said. "It's fantasy."

Private rocket pioneer Burt Rutan says the plan is technologically possible. Rutan's SpaceShipOne was the first privately financed vehicle to carry people into space. It won the $10 million "X Prize" in 2004 for flying into space twice in five days.

"This has never been done," Rutan said in an e-mail. "However, it is feasible. It would be a relatively expensive way to get the troops on the ground, but it could be done."

Terrorist threats to the United States, according to a statement of need from the Marines in July 2002, can emerge quickly anywhere in the world. A nearly instantaneous response from a small contingent of troops could snuff them out. Rocketship forces could also rescue troops trapped behind enemy lines.

"In the end, events around the globe can unfold much more rapidly and in many circumstances call for the earliest intervention if larger conflicts or other negative international implications are to be averted," the statement says. "Space transport and insertion is the only means of attaining the needed speed of response."

The need to develop technology to get SUSTAIN off the ground was restated in 2005 in a Marine document called the Expeditionary Maneuver Warfare Capability List. The list, signed by Gen. James Mattis, presented the space program as a goal to be realized as early as 2019. Mattis, who took over the Joint Forces Command last year, declined to comment.

Flying troops through space to distant crises is an idea that's been discussed since the early 1960s. In a speech in 1963, Marine Gen. Wallace Greene said such flight could have a "staggering" impact on projecting U.S. power. Greene, later the Marine Corps commandant, hoped to have Marines in space by 1968.

Emerging technology makes SUSTAIN a possibility, perhaps by 2030, said Baker Spring, a military analyst at the Heritage Foundation. Just as important, he said, is determining what troops could do if they managed to rocket into a crisis.

Another issue: vehicles must be relatively light to reach space. "It would be wildly vulnerable," said Ivan Oelrich, a security analyst at the Federation of American Scientists. "You can't armor a rocket ship."

Pike said an enormous amount of fuel would be needed to return from such missions. He questioned what 13 troops could accomplish in a hostile environment without getting killed or captured. (Interpolation: there is nothing that says the rocket has to return, it could be expended and the troops extracted by helicopter or other means. As for what a small number of troops could do if inserted with speed and surprise, well read your history.)
 
Or from the Space Marines of the Sci-Fi Series "Space Above and Beyond".

 
They should talk to the Russians....they have lots of practise bringing capsules back to earth, with only the occasional splat....
 
54/102 CEF said:
They stole it from the book "Starship Troopers"
I'm pretty sure Mobile Infantry were Army.  It seems to me we are talking about Space Marines.

 
Like the drop ships from "Aliens"?  Cool  :eek:
 
Even if the capability is developed, it would have to be an extremely serious incident to risk not only the lives of the men involved but also the cost of a multi-million dollar transport vessel that could be captured and reverse-engineered.  Past operations with high-value mechanical assets have done their best to ensure that leading edge technology would not fall, or be in threat of falling, into the wrong hands, so unless a plan is in place to deal with this issue, cant see it happening...

 
I don't think its economically feasible at present to do so...its costs millions to send the shuttle into orbit...imagine sending a unit of soldiers into space?
 
Government and military leaders will always spend ridiculous amounts of money on pet projects - all it will take is to get enough support and this baby will be rolling, just like Reagan's Star Wars project...
 
So true.  Without that "factor of life" we wouldn't have new C-17s, and CH-47s coming online.  All military procurements fall into this line of reasoning.
 
I can just see it now... Cap Trooper Wings will be the new fad. WAY cooler then Jump Wings.

"Come on you apes! Do you wanna live forever?!"
 
Greymatters said:
Even if the capability is developed, it would have to be an extremely serious incident to risk not only the lives of the men involved but also the cost of a multi-million dollar transport vessel that could be captured and reverse-engineered.  Past operations with high-value mechanical assets have done their best to ensure that leading edge technology would not fall, or be in threat of falling, into the wrong hands, so unless a plan is in place to deal with this issue, cant see it happening

If the will to create SUSTAIN units were in place, they could get into space pretty quickly by leveraging off Scaled Composite's "SpaceShipOne" and "SpaceShipTwo" as the basic technologies. While the composite materials might be cutting edge, most of the other equipment would be taken from current or near term military items (comms gear, navigation equipment etc.). If the plan is to abandon the troop carrier once it is grounded, the crew can pull the pin of a thermite charge and incinerate the craft after debussing.

While overall the idea seems pretty outlandish, it is probably more feasible than the plan to drop an American division behind German lines by parachute in 1918 was then.
 
Pentagon plans ‘spaceplane’ to reach hotspots fast
John Harlow in Los Angeles

The American military is planning a “spaceplane” designed to fly a crack squad of heavily armed marines to trouble spots anywhere in the world within four hours.
At a recent secret meeting at the Pentagon, engineers working on the craft, codenamed Hot Eagle, were told to draw up blueprints for a prototype which generals want to have in the air within 11 years.

Pentagon planners have been encouraged by technical breakthroughs from Burt Rutan, chief designer on Sir Richard Branson’s White Knight spaceship, which is due to begin test flights next year and to carry tourists on suborbital journeys from 2010.

Last week Rutan, 65, who built the first privately funded craft to reach space and won the $10m X prize for his achievement in 2004, gave his blessing to Hot Eagle, which could be based on White Knight’s technology. Rutan said it would be an expensive way to transport troops “but it could be done. It is feasible”.
Will Whitehorn, president of Virgin Galactic, which is funding White Knight, recently predicted that it could be used to airlift emergency supplies into disaster zones.
“It could be like Thunderbirds, like International Rescue,” he said. A passenger version would be capable of flying from London to Sydney in four hours.
The two-stage Hot Eagle would be launched from an aircraft carrier. A large booster rocket would carry a smaller spacecraft containing 13 “space troopers” 50 miles into space, far above hostile radar, before landing in enemy territory.

The marines first called for a spaceplane in 2002 after the US military failed to capture Osama Bin Laden in the mountains of Afghanistan. The project was known as the Small Unit Space Transport and Insertion programme (Sustain). Its advocates said it took too long on foot to reach the caves where Bin Laden was said to be hiding and helicopters were too visible.

General James Mattis, leading the marines’ Central Command at the time, said he wanted the spaceplane in the air by 2019. He was recently promoted to be one of the most senior officers in the US military establishment and Sustain has since become a priority.

Last week Lieutenant Colonel Mark Brown, a US air force spokesman, confirmed that Nasa and Pentagon officers had met for two days of talks to draw up plans for Hot Eagle.
Invitations to the meeting said participants would be discussing a “potential revolutionary step in getting combat power to any point in the world in a time frame unbelievable today”.
Although aided by Rutan’s breakthroughs in ever-lighter composite materials, there are many technological hurdles ahead for Hot Eagle.
Designers have not yet decided whether to build a relatively simple disposable craft, which the space troopers would destroy before being picked up by helicopter, or a vastly more complex vehicle which could fly them home.

Some critics dismiss Hot Eagle as Hollywood-inspired science fiction or an expensive toy. Others question how effective a fighting force of just 13 soldiers could be on the ground.

“That is, if they get there,” said Ivan Oelrich, of the Federation of American Scientists. “It would be wildly vulnerable as you cannot armoura rocket ship.”
Roosevelt Lafontrant, a former marine colonel now employed by the Schafer Corporation, a technology company, said the technology was advancing rapidly. “If we had had the Sustain programme in operation in 2002, Bin Laden would have been captured and history fundamentally changed,” he said recently.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4969025.ece
 
Others question how effective a fighting force of just 13 soldiers could be on the ground.

Poor critic, these are MARINES you are talking about.... HURRAH!

Gasplug :salute:
 
cool idea... dont know how many marines would volunteer for space flight... I know I would!

good find!
 
Gawd.... something right out of a Dale Brown novel..... Spaceplanes
Will a militarized space station and ground based laser weapons be next ???
 
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