US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[OldSolduer]

That, and she has the reach to a demographic that traditionally doesn’t vote in huge numbers.

Sometimes all the people need is someone to give them some direction or guidance....say isn't that what politicians are supposed to do??

 

[brihard]

Trump isn't alone misunderstanding or misrepresenting the issue. Some people are ignorant; some are misstating the situation for effect. I've already stated the truth of what is happening. "It's a lie that babies are being killed; they are being left to die" isn't a good message for swaying voters. People who have got their teeth into that one are preventing it from dropping into the memory hole; as long as it's talked about, the reality is in the public mind along with the lie.

Abortion is maybe in the bottom 3 of the top 10 issues right now. Democrats are eager to run on it, and specifically on permissive federal legislation. I read a claim that the debate spent almost 30 minutes all up on abortion - one third of the available time. The average American position is restrictions after about the first trimester, with the usual compassionate exemptions. I doubt her position helps Harris.

I admit it's kind of weird that a politician would lie about something, or state that someone has a position they either don't hold or have denied holding. I suppose now that fence has been breached, we'll see more of it.

He’s alone in lying about it while running for president. “Post-birth abortions” isn’t a misunderstanding, it’s just a blatant lie, and an egregiously dumb one.

Frank Zappa had voter registration booths at his last 1988 US concerts, and had a long history of encouraging registration. Not many contemporary entertainers function at his level, though.

No, but I’d say she does. She has literally hundreds of millions of followers on social media. Good chance that her endorsement and her exhortation to register directly or indirectly reaches a not insignificant number of eligible voters in the U.S. Her ability to provide a direct link to how to register to vote is surely at least as impactful, adjusted for the modern day, as offering in-person registration at a concert.

 

[Brad Sallows]

No, but I’d say she does. She has literally hundreds of millions of followers on social media. Good chance that her endorsement and her exhortation to register directly or indirectly reaches a not insignificant number of eligible voters in the U.S. Her ability to provide a direct link to how to register to vote is surely at least as impactful, adjusted for the modern day, as offering in-person registration at a concert.

I meant "function" as in "intellect". Zappa was not particularly influential in society at large. Lots of people have heard of him; many like one or two of his songs; some comprehend the extent of his talent; few know about his political and civic engagement.

 

[Brad Sallows]

He’s alone in lying about it while running for president. “Post-birth abortions” isn’t a misunderstanding, it’s just a blatant lie, and an egregiously dumb one.

If it publicizes what is actually happening, and people horrified by it are moved to vote for him (I can't imagine many people being moved to vote FOR something so unpleasant), it isn't egregiously dumb - lie or not.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

As a thought exercise, some consideration for minor grammatical adjustments…



Remarkably similar outcome, n’est-ce pas?

As said apple's and oranges. If you wish to call half the eligible voters in the US cult members, that's up to you. I'll put your statement in the same box as Pelosi's, the self confessed discreet, cold blooded reptilian. And her recent stat that, 30% of Republicans are racist, sexist homophobes.

Chapter 11 is a business gambit. As he has said a number of times, if you don't like the way he does business, change the laws. He simply works inside the structure provided by the House, Senate and Internal Revenue.

 

[brihard]

Chapter 11 is a business gambit. As he has said a number of times, if you don't like the way he does business, change the laws. He simply works inside the structure provided by the House, Senate and Internal Revenue.

That’s not true though. Trump Org was convicted on multiple felony counts of tax fraud.

 

[Good2Golf]

If you wish to call half the eligible voters in the US cult members, that's up to you.

...looking for where I said that....

I'll put your statement in the same box as Pelosi's, the self confessed discreet, cold blooded reptilian.

Well if that’s the only box you have, I suppose there’s no stopping you. Technically, I’m a mammal. My wife even tells me I run warmer than average, as some kind of justification I guess for slamming her ice cold feet against my legs after the sun goes down.

 

[lenaitch]

We find ourselves in agreement. The simple say-so of a billionaire entertainer should not be driving how someone votes, and a lot of low-info voters are unfortunately persuaded by such things. But in the end, every vote is equal.

And it cuts both ways. Voting red or blue because everyone in your family back to your great-great-grandpappy makes equal sense.

That, and she has the reach to a demographic that traditionally doesn’t vote in huge numbers.

I'm not so sure. This site claims that her fan base is 45% Millennial (28-43 years old), 21% Gen X (44-59) and 25% Boomers (60-78).

 

[QV]

This article highlights the theme I've been saying all along. There are long standing institutions (media, in this article) working against public interests. This must be stopped. This election is a critical step in doing that.

The Moderators of the Debate Were a Disgrace, and Trump’s Ill Discipline Doesn’t Change That | National Review

You don’t ignore the cracks in a bridge because you happen to dislike the person who is currently driving over it.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

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Well if that’s the only box you have, I suppose there’s no stopping you. Technically, I’m a mammal. My wife even tells me I run warmer than average, as some kind of justification I guess for slamming her ice cold feet against my legs after the sun goes down.

You're right. Perhaps I misunderstood. I suppose though the same can be said for Harris voters.

I was not calling you any names. I was quoting Pelosi, in both cases. I found your grammar changes a tad hyperbolic and pointed specifically at Republicans. Much like Pelosi's hyperbolic statements about Republicans.

Again, if I failed to pick up on some of your subtle humour, I apologize.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

This article highlights the theme I've been saying all along. There are long standing institutions (media, in this article) working against public interests. This must be stopped. This election is a critical step in doing that.

The Moderators of the Debate Were a Disgrace, and Trump’s Ill Discipline Doesn’t Change That | National Review

You don’t ignore the cracks in a bridge because you happen to dislike the person who is currently driving over it.

www.nationalreview.com

Much like social media being manipulated to hide Hunter's laptop, as Russian disinformation, then using 51 Biden operatives to lie and swing election results. There is little to none unbiased true reporting that comes from the MSM when carrying water for the deep state.

 

[Remius]

Trump Media Shares Plummet 15% To Record Low After Debate

Vice President Kamala Harris became the betting favorite to win the election after a debate with the former president.

www.forbes.com

Investors don’t seem impressed with DJT’s performance apparently.

 

[Good2Golf]

Again, if I failed to pick up on some of your subtle humour, I apologize.

I’ve been accused of being drier than the Sahara at times, that may have been one of them.

I’m generally like most here, neither candidate was stellar. I’d like to see both of them up their game, for the sake of American voters, who deserve better than what we saw last night.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Much like social media being manipulated to hide Hunter's laptop, as Russian disinformation, then using 51 Biden operatives to lie and swing election results. There is little to none unbiased true reporting that comes from the MSM when carrying water for the deep state.

That's another example of misunderstanding/misrepresentation/myth-making. The "51" did not lie. They alleged that the laptop LOOKED LIKE IT COULD BE a Russian disinfo op. They did not allege that it WAS a Russian disinfo op. It got converted into a "fact" by people who heard/read differently what was said/written.

I don't doubt the "51" knew what they were doing, and that theirs was a "disinformation" op. Any of them could have corrected the misinterpretations early on. They allowed the incorrect interpretations to stand. As I've written, it's amusing that a real disinformation op was created to advance a story about a non-existent disinformation op.

 

[Haggis]

My biggest regret about this debate is that I forgot about it and watched some re-runs instead. This clearly would have been more entertaining.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Frank Zappa had voter registration booths at his last 1988 US concerts, and had a long history of encouraging registration. Not many contemporary entertainers function at his level, though.

The physical act of registering to vote in 1988 was probably quite different than it is today, so it is to Zappa's credit that he worked with one of the third party groups (League of Women Voters) who had a long history of voter registration drives.

 

[QV]

Im seeing reports independent support went up for Trump after the debate.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

That's another example of misunderstanding/misrepresentation/myth-making. The "51" did not lie. They alleged that the laptop LOOKED LIKE IT COULD BE a Russian disinfo op. They did not allege that it WAS a Russian disinfo op. It got converted into a "fact" by people who heard/read differently what was said/written.

I don't doubt the "51" knew what they were doing, and that theirs was a "disinformation" op. Any of them could have corrected the misinterpretations early on. They allowed the incorrect interpretations to stand. As I've written, it's amusing that a real disinformation op was created to advance a story about a non-existent disinformation op.

Brad, I understand what you're saying. Words matter. However, the statement was drafted to give Biden an out during the debate last election. He was the one that made it 'fact' when responding to Trump. Parse it, A debate, that if the truth had been told, could seriously have affected the election outcome, but the intent was to close debate on the laptop and confirm it as Russian election interference. Between beating up Twitter and Facebook to fall in line, by 3 letter agencies and hiding the laptop, to the infamous 51 statement, it worked for what it was designed to do. Lie to and keep voters in the dark about the truth.

 

[dimsum]

Im seeing reports independent support went up for Trump after the debate.

Source on that?

 

[Lumber]

Im seeing reports independent support went up for Trump after the debate.

I'd like to see that source, because after searching, nothing I could find corroborates that statement. In fact, while I couldn't find any actually polling data, interviews with independents post-debate indicated they either weren't swayed, or leaned Harris more often than Trump:

What undecided voters thought of the debate: From the Politics Desk

Plus, Trump's debate performance prompts concern from allies, and the first general election ballots are in the mail.

www.nbcnews.com

Swing state voters watching debate say Harris was prepared, Trump lost his cool

Swing-state residents from across the country shared their thoughts with the USA TODAY Network during and after the Harris vs. Trump debate.

www.usatoday.com

Undecided Americans impressed by Harris - did debate shift their votes?

We spoke to eight voters who see the debate as crucial in determining who they will support in November.

www.bbc.com

Even RFK Jr. doesn't think this went well toward gaining support from independents:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4875178-rfk-jr-independent-support-trump-debate/