US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[Remius]

There is no doubt that this will be close. National polls don’t necessarily reflect local and state polls and the college vote is really what matters.

There is no honeymoon. She never got a bump from the DNC.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Trouble in the butts?

Trump: Bernie 'Threw Comrade Harris' Under the Bus​

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/progressive-values-marxist-donald-trump/2024/09/09/id/1179621/

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Because of Trump’s known ties and public praise of the Heritage Foundation, the extensive involvement of Pat Trump officials in its drafting, and literally choosing a guy who’s written the forward to their upcoming book on the project as his VP pick. That’s quite a bit of tangible evidence aligning Trump with the project’s group and authors.

What We Know About Trump’s Link To Project 2025—As Author Claims Ex-President ‘Blessed It’ In Secret Recording

An author of Project 2025 told undercover reporters the ex-president is "very supportive of what we do."

www.forbes.com

Your evidence doesn't prove he accepts the project though. He's denied it many times. Are you are saying he's guilty by association? Tut tut, what happened to only solid, provable evidence counts? You are basing your comment on emotion, speculation and hearsay. Quite a distance from fact based evidence.

 

[MrWhyt]

Your evidence doesn't prove he accepts the project though. He's denied it many times.

Yes and he's also claimed the Mexico would pay for the wall, the he didn't have an affair with a porn star, that china has paid the US billions in tariffs, and more recently that children go to school and come back a few days later having had a sex change operation. His denial is worth nothing.

 

[brihard]

Your evidence doesn't prove he accepts the project though. He's denied it many times. Are you are saying he's guilty by association? Tut tut, what happened to only solid, provable evidence counts? You are basing your comment on emotion, speculation and hearsay. Quite a distance from fact based evidence.

You’re being silly. I’m saying I personally find it to be of a fair bit of weight. Were he a man who could be taken at his word, him stating he rejects them would also be something I’d give some weight to. Since what he says in public in response to political pressure has been shown by many thousands of lies to be valueless, though, I’m more convinced by his words and actions less publicly, when the pressure wasn’t there.

It’s always harder to accurately assess the true politics of someone utterly bereft of integrity.

 

[QV]

Trump was a popular figure across political lines before politics. He's had the same message since his appearance on Oprah.

Ever since he came down the escalator it's been an information war on him and a lot of you took it hook-line-sinker.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You’re being silly. I’m saying I personally find it to be of a fair bit of weight. Were he a man who could be taken at his word, him stating he rejects them would also be something I’d give some weight to. Since what he says in public in response to political pressure has been shown by many thousands of lies to be valueless, though, I’m more convinced by his words and actions less publicly, when the pressure wasn’t there.

It’s always harder to accurately assess the true politics of someone utterly bereft of integrity.

You mean like Harris. You're obsfucating. You're basing on gut. Not evidence. Tangible or otherwise. Tell me, would you prefer charges based on your evidence? Would you expect a conviction?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Yes and he's also claimed the Mexico would pay for the wall, the he didn't have an affair with a porn star, that china has paid the US billions in tariffs, and more recently that children go to school and come back a few days later having had a sex change operation. His denial is worth nothing.

Prove he's for it. Show me where he said he supports it, instead of trying to muddy the waters. People are always screaming about truth and evidence, warrants and affidavits. Show me pure unadulterated evidence he said unequivocally he supports Project 2025.

 

[MrWhyt]

Prove he's for it. Show me where he said he supports it, instead of trying to muddy the waters. People are always screaming about truth and evidence, warrants and affidavits. Show me pure unadulterated evidence he said unequivocally he supports Project 2025.

Oh please, I haven't been posting long but i've been around long enough to see that if i had a video of trump openly endorsing project 2025 you'd hand wave it away. You're the poster child for TDSS.

 

[Brad Sallows]

There's no question Trump is connected to the "2025" people. Also, there's no question Harris is connected to the current administration and many other things involving prominent Democrats.

Connections are to be expected.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Oh please, I haven't been posting long but i've been around long enough to see that if i had a video of trump openly endorsing project 2025 you'd hand wave it away. You're the poster child for TDSS.

So you have nothing except angst.
All I've asked for is proof. The true evidence everyone always harps on. You can't provide that.
I've kept our exchange pretty impersonal. If you want to move to personal attacks I can do that in spades buckwheat.

Oh and one of these fine Mentors better sort you out on the TDS shit.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

There's no question Trump is connected to the "2025" people. Also, there's no question Harris is connected to the current administration and many other things involving prominent Democrats.

Connections are to be expected.

And connections are not proof in this case.

 

[QV]

I looked at Project 2025... seems reasonable. Why the boogeyman about this?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Here you go, sink your teeth into this.

 

[OldSolduer]

FWIW I don't really think either candidate is suitable, but I don't get a vote there. Its all up to the American public to decide their fates and we are along for the ride, whether we like it or not.

Just gonna add - if we were HALF as passionate about OUR government.....then things might be different.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I looked at Project 2025... seems reasonable. Why the boogeyman about this?

Because people for Harris want to untruthfully tie it to Trump. How many times did the democrats drag the tome onto the stage at the DNC, claiming it was Trump’s manifesto?

 

[Edward Campbell]

FWIW I don't really think either candidate is suitable, but I don't get a vote there. Its all up to the American public to decide their fates and we are along for the ride, whether we like it or not.

Precisely, Jim!

Who our friends elect matters a whole helluvalot to but we don't have any say in the mater. We can be partisans for any number of reasons and I can see a few merits and many, many more demerits to both candidates but, in the final an analysis we must wait until the American votes are all counted - remember the "hanging chads?" - and the Electoral College has spoken and then we must tell our government what we think they should do to promote and protect our vital interest vis-a-vis the .

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Precisely, Jim!

Who our friends elect matters a whole helluvalot to but we don't have any say in the mater. We can be partisans for any number of reasons and I can see a few merits and many, many more demerits to both candidates but, in the final an analysis we must wait until the American votes are all counted - remember the "hanging chads?" - and the Electoral College has spoken and then we must tell our government what we think they should do to promote and protect our vital interest vis-a-vis the .

Thanks for the reality check Ted.

Edit - given where I domicile I have a great interest in what happens over there. It can affect us personally here. Even if I can't vote.

 

[dimsum]

I looked at Project 2025... seems reasonable. Why the boogeyman about this?

For the US military and veterans, there are a bunch of changes. Some that don’t impact them much, but some that do - like ending access to abortion.

How would Project 2025 impact troops and veterans?

A political playbook for what the next Republican administration could look like suggests major changes for troops and veterans.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[dimsum]

Here you go, sink your teeth into this.

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Good that Trump is switching to match Harris’s views on marijuana decriminalization.

Trump signals support for reclassifying pot as a less dangerous drug, in line with Harris' position

Donald Trump has signaled support for a potentially historic federal policy shift to reclassify marijuana as a less dangerous drug.

apnews.com