US Presidential Election 2020

[QV]

After Dec 14th if a clear winner is declared, absolutely there should be a transition.  But I sure hope Biden or his people aren’t talking to foreign governments yet, after all that is why Gen Flynn was indicted... which many of you were all for.

There are lots of people stating the issues, if you can’t find the reports of those online then you need to adjust your news filter to capture more than the legacy news organizations. 

And no Trump isn’t damaging democracy.  If it turns out the Biden win is legit, that is really good for the country.  Wouldn’t you agree with that?

None of you ever consider what might be if there were actually compromised systems in several of those districts. Would that be damaging to democracy, or no?  Not worth a look?

 

[Remius]

QV, come on.

Flynn was indicted for lying to the FBI.  And he wasn't President Elect.  Apples and oranges and straws trying to hold it together. 

No one prevented or delayed the last transition when Trump won.  Remember how that election would be fraught with fraud? Right.

This is being a sore loser and burning down the house on the way out.

And no, I am not going to look at echo chamber conspiracy sites.

Even Fox news, Trump's national broadcasting station has been cutting off his reps for spreading false narratives.

It's over.  Stop acting like the thing many were accusing Clinton supporters of last time.

Accept it and move on.

 

[mariomike]

Stephen king put it this way, 

C'mon, Don. Concede. It's not the fucking Alamo.
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1325818959007014912

Anyone with a sincere interest in US voter suppression may find this documentary informative. I know I did.

All In: The Fight for Democracy (2020)
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+fight+for+democracy%22&sxsrf=ALeKk03O-yjtwjEHsOIy0lgZYjxV5TXcoA:1605024960681&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ6Yv1r_jsAhVSXc0KHdmcCbEQpwV6BAgDEB8&biw=1280&bih=641#spf=1605024979883

 

[Good2Golf]

Everyone involved should welcome any investigation where there are clear irregularities.  If it’s found there is no problem, it would legitimize Biden’s win and temper the opposing side’s allegations and loss.  If it turns out there is a problem, that needs to be sorted out forthwith.  This is win/win for democracy.  Anyone opposing this is worried about the outcome.

But just in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, right?  :nod:

 

[Kirkhill]

When will the public know who will be the President of the United States of America for the four years commencing 20 January 2021?

6 January 2021

When Congress counts the Electoral College ballots that were cast on 14 December 2020.

On election night, the media uses results that are already in and voter surveys to name winners. Election night calls are largely accurate; however, vote counting goes on for days or weeks after that so that states can get a full count of the vote. And that full count is the official, certified result.

To comply with the timeline of the Electoral College process, all states must reach certified results for presidential and vice-presidential races by December 14 — the day electors cast their ballots. The electoral votes will be counted in a joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021.





https://usafacts.org/visualizations/when-will-each-state-have-official-election-count/?

utm_source=MailChimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nov-9-election-results

When will each state have certified election results?

While Americans typically expect to know election results on election night, the official process to finalize results in each state can last anywhere from one day to more than one month after Election Day, depending on state law.

Published on Mon, November 2, 2020 6:21PM PST | Updated Fri, November 6, 2020 10:34AM PST

In words well known to all of us: 

Waaaiit for it!

 

[Blackadder1916]

Transition of power . . .

1992  Classy
https://www.c-span.org/video/?34850-1/clinton-arrival-white-house

2000  Classy
https://www.c-span.org/video/?161385-1/president-elect-bush-photo-opportunity-president-clinton

2008  Classy
https://www.c-span.org/video/?282315-1/president-elect-obama-white-house-visit

2016  Classy
https://www.c-span.org/video/?418387-1/president-obama-meets-president-elect-donald-trump

2020  ?

 

[Brad Sallows]

As well as heeding only proper claims made in court, read the memo.  Barr has given permission to pursue substantial allegations, not to stick DOJ noses into everything.

 

[Brad Sallows]

>2016  Classy

Because the outgoing guy behaved nicely in public while allowing investigations to be launched on grounds of - insert popular adjectives for describing election fraud today - allegations?

 

[Remius]

>2016  Classy

Because the outgoing guy behaved nicely in public while allowing investigations to be launched on grounds of - insert popular adjectives for describing election fraud today - allegations?

Regardless.  The transition still happened and the will of the people was respected.  If Trump wants to cry all the way until 2024 and call for investigations he can.  But a normal transition should not be impeded.

It's a temper tantrum that is not good for America.

 

[Blackadder1916]

>2016  Classy

Because the outgoing guy behaved nicely in public while allowing investigations to be launched . . . ?

Yes.  Because the outgoing guy understood the importance of presenting to the world (and especially to the American people) the public image of a seamless, peaceful transition of power.  He may have thoroughly despised the president-elect (it's not hard to image one coming to that opinion) and he may have been aware or even directed that inquiry be made into possible interference by foreign powers (with or without the knowledge/cooperation of the candidate's campaign), but that is actually part of his job . . . you know, that protect and defend the constitution part.

 

[Brad Sallows]

>the will of the people was respected.

Amusing way to phrase it, given that the root question is "what is the will of the people"?

So we have arrived at the point where "what fears the innocent man?" may be deployed.

If Biden won legitimately, investigations won't change the result.  Investigations which disprove allegations will reinforce the legitimacy of Biden's win.  Regardless what the ultimate outcome is, it is preferable to establish it before the inauguration date.  Objections?

 

[Navy_Pete]

>the will of the people was respected.

Amusing way to phrase it, given that the root question is "what is the will of the people"?

So we have arrived at the point where "what fears the innocent man?" may be deployed.

If Biden won legitimately, investigations won't change the result.  Investigations which disprove allegations will reinforce the legitimacy of Biden's win.  Regardless what the ultimate outcome is, it is preferable to establish it before the inauguration date.  Objections?

So far all their allegations have been thrown out of court with pretty strong rejections as they failed to show any actual evidence or any actual legal arguement, and included things like hearsay and hand drawn diagrams. Investigating actual allegations is one thing, but this is a deliberate attempt to flood the courts with completely bogus suits to create a narrative that the election was fraudulent. Kind of surprised there haven't been complaints to the state BARs or contempt of court fines when you read the transcripts.

It's propaganda via lawfare, and not genuine investigations of suspected fraud. It's an abuse of process designed to undermine the legitimacy of the election results, not reinforce them.

 

[Remius]

>the will of the people was respected.

Amusing way to phrase it, given that the root question is "what is the will of the people"?

So we have arrived at the point where "what fears the innocent man?" may be deployed.

If Biden won legitimately, investigations won't change the result.  Investigations which disprove allegations will reinforce the legitimacy of Biden's win.  Regardless what the ultimate outcome is, it is preferable to establish it before the inauguration date.  Objections?

My objection is not about the baseless investigation.  Its about the refusal to start the transition process which can leave the US is am unpredictable and unstable status.

The fact that they are cherry picking is good indication.  If you were committing fraud why not Florida?  That's the state to hit.  Or why Mitch McConnell won his seat, or how they didn't make gains in the House and didn't flip the senate.  It's ridiculous.

 

[QV]

QV, come on.

Flynn was indicted for lying to the FBI.  And he wasn't President Elect.  Apples and oranges and straws trying to hold it together. The predicate to investigate Flynn was the Logan Act and then to set up a perjury trap.

No one prevented or delayed the last transition when Trump won.  Remember how that election would be fraught with fraud? Right.

This is being a sore loser and burning down the house on the way out.

And no, I am not going to look at echo chamber conspiracy sites.

Even Fox news, Trump's national broadcasting station has been cutting off his reps for spreading false narratives.

It's over.  Stop acting like the thing many were accusing Clinton supporters of last time. If there was a clear winner, I'd agree.  But there is not yet a clear winner.

Accept it and move on.

 

[QV]

But just in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, right?  :nod:

Why indeed?  Is that a coincidence it only involves key swing states?  Is it also only a coincidence that "glitches" only favoured one candidate? 

Has anyone done some reading on Dominion?  Who the owners/shareholders are, where it's used, how it's connected? No questions at all?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Biden is no longer President Elect. 4 States have returned to grey status leaving Biden at 259.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

>It's propaganda via lawfare, and not genuine investigations of suspected fraud.

Perhaps, but people are allowed to bring weak cases to courts, and the courts are allowed to knock them down.  If Democrats are on the receiving end of abuses of government systems and processes to retard and de-legitimize their presidency for a change, there is hope for some bipartisan action to prevent recurrence in the future.  I have written before (probably back in 2017) that Democrats should have moved to work with Republicans after the 2016 election to correct opportunities for abuse; they chose to aggravate everything at every opportunity and many people supported them.  Chickens, roosting.

 

[Brad Sallows]

>My objection is not about the baseless investigation.  Its about the refusal to start the transition process which can leave the US is am unpredictable and unstable status.

They have altered the deal.  Pray they do not alter it further (start investigating people who are talking to foreign governments).

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I guessing, but now that Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina have returned to grey, as in, too close to call, transition is moot at this point. Biden is back to 259, meaning he is no longer the President Elect.
Have I got that right?

 

[QV]

I guessing, but now that Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina have returned to grey, as in, too close to call, transition is moot at this point. Biden is back to 259, meaning he is no longer the President Elect.
Have I got that right?

Sec Pompeo just stated there will be a smooth transition... to a second Trump term.  If Trump pulls off a win, I can't imagine the destruction from the radical left that will follow...