Urban vs Rural recruits. Do similar patterns exist in Canada?
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I don't think it WAS much recruiting in small towns when I joined.Infact I really didnt know we had a army at the time.(I do have my rejection letter from the U.S..seen the recruiting number on football ;D)
However over the past 3 years I have seen much more recruitment effort on our "shore" billboards (which caused car crashes as people tried to figure out what a billboard was j/k) posters in rural stores etc.So yes I have seen recruitment efforts increased.
I believe word of mouth is the biggest recruiter "down home" in my FOB we had 4 of us from about a 15km radius back in NFLD.We all knew each other growing up.
-Jokes such as yelling "beats Alberta" as rockets came in.... ;D
However over the past 3 years I have seen much more recruitment effort on our "shore" billboards (which caused car crashes as people tried to figure out what a billboard was j/k) posters in rural stores etc.So yes I have seen recruitment efforts increased.
I believe word of mouth is the biggest recruiter "down home" in my FOB we had 4 of us from about a 15km radius back in NFLD.We all knew each other growing up.
-Jokes such as yelling "beats Alberta" as rockets came in.... ;D
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Rural Canada is paying a heavier price for the Afghan mission than urban Canada TORONTO, Nov. 5 /CNW/ - Research by TVO's
The Agenda with Steve Paikin reveals that relative to their populations, four times as many Canadian soldiers from rural Canada have been killed in Afghanistan than from urban Canada.
The findings were the result of an analysis of a new interactive map (http://bit.ly/TVOCDNSTUDY) showing detailed information on Canada's war dead. The map was created for the Agenda's special week of Remembrance programming Monday to Friday November 8 to 12, 2010 at 8 pm.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2010/05/c9516.html
The Agenda with Steve Paikin reveals that relative to their populations, four times as many Canadian soldiers from rural Canada have been killed in Afghanistan than from urban Canada.
The findings were the result of an analysis of a new interactive map (http://bit.ly/TVOCDNSTUDY) showing detailed information on Canada's war dead. The map was created for the Agenda's special week of Remembrance programming Monday to Friday November 8 to 12, 2010 at 8 pm.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2010/05/c9516.html
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"We'll be looking at who is doing the fighting and dying in Afghanistan," says executive producer Dan Dunsky. "Where are our soldiers from? Is this another example of Canada's rural/urban divide?"
Trying to manufacture a crisis where none exists. Who hires these donkey lickers? Imbeciles.
Trying to manufacture a crisis where none exists. Who hires these donkey lickers? Imbeciles.
So what is their point? I agree, making something out of nothing for nothing more than sensationalism of sacrifice. It matters not where the soldier comes from. Whats matters is that they are remembered for what they are. Soldiers, fathers, husbands, son, wives, daughters, etc. My God, I wish we could slap silly people like the ones doing this.
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My cynical guess is that it has something to do with the anti-gun registry lobby... but that's just me
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ALL 152 are Canadians....none of that crap they spout is necessary.
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Jim Seggie said:
Well said.
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What's next, that in spite of our diversity as a nation, it's the white male who is dying practically all of the time? Where is the inquest demanding that more women die over there, you know, for the sake of equality? Or visible minorities? Or that the ratio of officers to NCMs is not satisfactory? Or that more people whose name begins with a "K" die? :
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Similar story in the U.S. in August 2010:
"U.S. rural areas hit disproportionately by Iraq war casualties":
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/08/rural_areas_hit_disproportiona.html
http://www.news.wisc.edu/18257
http://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol23/2/23-2.pdf
2007:
"Rural America bears scars from Iraq war":
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17231366/
"U.S. rural areas hit disproportionately by Iraq war casualties":
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/08/rural_areas_hit_disproportiona.html
http://www.news.wisc.edu/18257
http://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol23/2/23-2.pdf
2007:
"Rural America bears scars from Iraq war":
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17231366/
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And we all know who does the majority of fighting and dieing in all our conflicts....don't we?Technoviking said:What's next, that in spite of our diversity as a nation, it's the white male who is dying practically all of the time? Where is the inquest demanding that more women die over there, you know, for the sake of equality? Or visible minorities? Or that the ratio of officers to NCMs is not satisfactory? Or that more people whose name begins with a "K" die? :
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CombatDoc said:
The National Post did a similar story last November:
Topic: "Who fights and dies for Canada?":
Now merged.
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These maps put the cost of war into perspective for me.
World War One:
This is just one neighbourhood in Toronto known as Riverdale. It shows street by street only the World War One dead:
http://www3.thestar.com/static/googlemaps/091111_riverdale_medium.html
http://thestar.blogs.com/maps/2009/11/nov11-draft.html
World War Two:
These maps show only the World War Two dead. It is just for the former City of Toronto. It does not include the five boroughs of Metro.
If you click on the poppies, it shows the name and address. My uncle is one of them.
I am very familiar with those streets. I walk by some of those houses every day. Probably been inside a lot of them on calls.
Until I saw the map, I had no idea that it was that bad.
It looks like a sea of blood washing across the city:
http://www.openfile.ca/toronto/file/2010/11/remembering-torontos-fallen-world-war-ii
http://www.patrickcain.ca/maps/101111_complete_map.html
http://www.openfile.ca/remembrance_day
"A home pinpointed on the map may be where you now live. Whether you want to know this is for you to decide."
World War One:
This is just one neighbourhood in Toronto known as Riverdale. It shows street by street only the World War One dead:
http://www3.thestar.com/static/googlemaps/091111_riverdale_medium.html
http://thestar.blogs.com/maps/2009/11/nov11-draft.html
World War Two:
These maps show only the World War Two dead. It is just for the former City of Toronto. It does not include the five boroughs of Metro.
If you click on the poppies, it shows the name and address. My uncle is one of them.
I am very familiar with those streets. I walk by some of those houses every day. Probably been inside a lot of them on calls.
Until I saw the map, I had no idea that it was that bad.
It looks like a sea of blood washing across the city:
http://www.openfile.ca/toronto/file/2010/11/remembering-torontos-fallen-world-war-ii
http://www.patrickcain.ca/maps/101111_complete_map.html
http://www.openfile.ca/remembrance_day
"A home pinpointed on the map may be where you now live. Whether you want to know this is for you to decide."
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If you disregard the potential angle for causing trouble, it was still informative...
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Don't be stupid. The fact appears that there is a disproportionate amount of casualties in smaller towns in Canada then there are elsewhere. Dunsky is saying that he would like to "look into" it, and you're calling him out on manufacturing a crisis? Seriously, come on. He's interested in gathering information on this matter and you think that's a bad thing?recceguy said:
Nobody's saying there's a "crisis" here, but I don't see harm in having it looked into.
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If the casualties can be taken as a microcosm of the Forces as a whole, then there is an interesting point to be made that Canada's defence is disproportionately carried out by a certain segment/area of society - asking why seems to be a legitimate question.
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It seemed odd to suggest what the research meant rather than just reporting the numbers found.
Yes, you could say more rural Canadians fight/die in the war but you could also suggest that rural Canadians die more often than the City folk for other reasons.
The numbers could mean 1000 different things (wasn't intending to insult any country folk).
Yes, you could say more rural Canadians fight/die in the war but you could also suggest that rural Canadians die more often than the City folk for other reasons.
The numbers could mean 1000 different things (wasn't intending to insult any country folk).
What might be a more interesting question is who fights and Lives? This perhaps has more to do with reserve units than reg force, but I'd like to see the ratio of who volunteers for service (and to go to Afghanistan) between the rural/urban and between the different ethnic groups.
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