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The "Occupy" Movement
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Police clear out N.Y.C. Occupy protesters
Police wearing helmets and carrying shields evicted protesters with the Occupy Wall Street movement early Tuesday from the park in New York City’s financial district where they have camped since September.
Police spokesman Paul Browne said that about 70 protesters were arrested in Zuccotti Park during the nighttime operation for defying orders to leave and several more were arrested nearby, although most left voluntarily.
Authorities declared that the continued occupation of Zuccotti Park — which had become a sea of tents, tarps and protest signs with hundreds of demonstrators sleeping there — posed a health and safety threat.
About a dozen protesters had chained themselves together and another two had chained themselves to trees before being cut loose and removed, Browne added.
The office of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the protesters were ordered to “temporarily leave” the park and remove their tents and tarps. Police said protesters would be allowed to return once the park was cleaned, but would have to abide by rules banning items like tents, tarps and the storage of belongings.
The protesters had set up camp in Zuccotti Park on Sept. 17 to protest a financial system they say mostly benefits corporations and the wealthy. Their movement has inspired similar protests against economic inequality in other cities, and in some cases have led to violent clashes with police.
Police barricaded streets around the park, which had been lit up with spotlights, and were keeping people about a block away. The operation began at around 1 a.m. and the last protesters had been evicted by about 4:15 a.m.. Authorities continued to sweep up and remove mounds of debris.
Police used a loudspeaker to tell protesters they would be arrested if they did not leave. “They gave us about 20 minutes to get our things together,” protester Sam Wood said as the eviction was taking place. “It’s a painful process to watch, they are sweeping through the park.”
Browne said the city and the owners of the park, commercial real estate corporation Brookfield Office Properties, issued fliers to the protesters saying the park would be cleared for cleaning shortly after 1 a.m.
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Really, Sam Wood? Painful? I'm sure there are things far more painful to watch. :
Police wearing helmets and carrying shields evicted protesters with the Occupy Wall Street movement early Tuesday from the park in New York City’s financial district where they have camped since September.
Police spokesman Paul Browne said that about 70 protesters were arrested in Zuccotti Park during the nighttime operation for defying orders to leave and several more were arrested nearby, although most left voluntarily.
Authorities declared that the continued occupation of Zuccotti Park — which had become a sea of tents, tarps and protest signs with hundreds of demonstrators sleeping there — posed a health and safety threat.
About a dozen protesters had chained themselves together and another two had chained themselves to trees before being cut loose and removed, Browne added.
The office of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the protesters were ordered to “temporarily leave” the park and remove their tents and tarps. Police said protesters would be allowed to return once the park was cleaned, but would have to abide by rules banning items like tents, tarps and the storage of belongings.
The protesters had set up camp in Zuccotti Park on Sept. 17 to protest a financial system they say mostly benefits corporations and the wealthy. Their movement has inspired similar protests against economic inequality in other cities, and in some cases have led to violent clashes with police.
Police barricaded streets around the park, which had been lit up with spotlights, and were keeping people about a block away. The operation began at around 1 a.m. and the last protesters had been evicted by about 4:15 a.m.. Authorities continued to sweep up and remove mounds of debris.
Police used a loudspeaker to tell protesters they would be arrested if they did not leave. “They gave us about 20 minutes to get our things together,” protester Sam Wood said as the eviction was taking place. “It’s a painful process to watch, they are sweeping through the park.”
Browne said the city and the owners of the park, commercial real estate corporation Brookfield Office Properties, issued fliers to the protesters saying the park would be cleared for cleaning shortly after 1 a.m.
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Really, Sam Wood? Painful? I'm sure there are things far more painful to watch. :
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Cancel my last.
Court order to let N.Y. protesters bring tents back
The Occupy Wall Street protesters who were kicked out of a New York park overnight will likely be able to return with their tents, after a court order was obtained by the National Lawyers Guild.
Hundreds of police officers showed up at New York's Zuccotti Park at about 1 a.m. Tuesday, when they informed the Occupy protesters that they had to leave so that sanitation workers could clean the park grounds.
The notices given to protesters on Tuesday said the Zuccotti Park encampment "poses an increasing health and fire safety hazard to those camped in the park, the city's first responders and the surrounding community."
The protesters were told that they would be able to return within hours, but would not be permitted to bring sleeping bags, tents or tarps with them when they did.
But the National Lawyers Guild said Tuesday that it had obtained a court order allowing the Occupy Wall Street protesters to return with their tents.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg held a press conference Tuesday morning, telling reporters that it was necessary to clear the protesters from the park because their encampment was prohibiting others from accessing and enjoying a public space.
Bloomberg said the people who have spent the past two months in the park have a right to air their views in public. But they don't have the right to keep others from doing the same.
"No right is absolute and with every right comes responsibility," Bloomberg said Tuesday morning.
"The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out. But it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park, or otherwise take it over, to the exclusion of others. Nor does it permit anyone in our society to live outside the law."
Bloomberg said there were also health and safety concerns at the protest site, which prompted the need for a clean-up.
The mayor did not have knowledge of the contents of the court order when he spoke to the media Tuesday morning, but he said the city plans to go to court immediately.
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Court order to let N.Y. protesters bring tents back
The Occupy Wall Street protesters who were kicked out of a New York park overnight will likely be able to return with their tents, after a court order was obtained by the National Lawyers Guild.
Hundreds of police officers showed up at New York's Zuccotti Park at about 1 a.m. Tuesday, when they informed the Occupy protesters that they had to leave so that sanitation workers could clean the park grounds.
The notices given to protesters on Tuesday said the Zuccotti Park encampment "poses an increasing health and fire safety hazard to those camped in the park, the city's first responders and the surrounding community."
The protesters were told that they would be able to return within hours, but would not be permitted to bring sleeping bags, tents or tarps with them when they did.
But the National Lawyers Guild said Tuesday that it had obtained a court order allowing the Occupy Wall Street protesters to return with their tents.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg held a press conference Tuesday morning, telling reporters that it was necessary to clear the protesters from the park because their encampment was prohibiting others from accessing and enjoying a public space.
Bloomberg said the people who have spent the past two months in the park have a right to air their views in public. But they don't have the right to keep others from doing the same.
"No right is absolute and with every right comes responsibility," Bloomberg said Tuesday morning.
"The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out. But it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park, or otherwise take it over, to the exclusion of others. Nor does it permit anyone in our society to live outside the law."
Bloomberg said there were also health and safety concerns at the protest site, which prompted the need for a clean-up.
The mayor did not have knowledge of the contents of the court order when he spoke to the media Tuesday morning, but he said the city plans to go to court immediately.
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Let us Pray:
Retired AF Guy
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Hammer Sandwich said:
That's a keeper. :nod:
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Winter's here. :nod:
Occupy Regina camp torn down by police
All that remained of the Occupy Regina camp Wednesday was an iPod laying in the snow and circles of green grass showing where the tents once sat in snow-covered Victoria Park.
Members of the Regina Police Service and City of Regina bylaw enforcement took down the remaining nine tents in the park at 5 a.m. Wednesday. The tents were taken down under the authority of the Regina Parks and Open Spaces bylaw that does not permit an established camp in any city park. No resistance was met because the camp was already abandoned.
Glen Davies, the city manager, said that by 5:40 a.m., everything was cleaned up and he was not surprised to find the tents empty.
“(It was) an indication, I think, that people have been co-operating in terms of slowly removing themselves from the site,” said Davies.
Protesters were given eviction notices on Thursday and told they had until Saturday to exit the park. Several Occupiers left over the course of the weekend, leaving only a handful at the camp by Monday. Police handed out seven tickets after 11 p.m. Monday for violating a city bylaw that forbids anyone from remaining in a city park between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m.
Police discovered two people in the park at 11:30 p.m. Tuesday and both were issued tickets.
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I saw a news clip last night and one of the protesters stated, "We'll be back in the spring, stronger than ever." Translation: "It's too cold to protest." :
Occupy Regina camp torn down by police
All that remained of the Occupy Regina camp Wednesday was an iPod laying in the snow and circles of green grass showing where the tents once sat in snow-covered Victoria Park.
Members of the Regina Police Service and City of Regina bylaw enforcement took down the remaining nine tents in the park at 5 a.m. Wednesday. The tents were taken down under the authority of the Regina Parks and Open Spaces bylaw that does not permit an established camp in any city park. No resistance was met because the camp was already abandoned.
Glen Davies, the city manager, said that by 5:40 a.m., everything was cleaned up and he was not surprised to find the tents empty.
“(It was) an indication, I think, that people have been co-operating in terms of slowly removing themselves from the site,” said Davies.
Protesters were given eviction notices on Thursday and told they had until Saturday to exit the park. Several Occupiers left over the course of the weekend, leaving only a handful at the camp by Monday. Police handed out seven tickets after 11 p.m. Monday for violating a city bylaw that forbids anyone from remaining in a city park between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m.
Police discovered two people in the park at 11:30 p.m. Tuesday and both were issued tickets.
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Comment from the story on CBC:
I saw a news clip last night and one of the protesters stated, "We'll be back in the spring, stronger than ever." Translation: "It's too cold to protest." :
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#occupyfail
Here is a perfect example of the "1%" receiving fantastic bonus money at the expense of everyone else. Occupy response? Crickets....
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/16/video-the-stunning-silence-from-the-white-house/
Since the Democrats openly support the #occupy movement and provide the class warfare rhetoric that drives it, the silence from the Administration and the Legacy Media on the subject is also telling.
Here is a perfect example of the "1%" receiving fantastic bonus money at the expense of everyone else. Occupy response? Crickets....
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/16/video-the-stunning-silence-from-the-white-house/
Since the Democrats openly support the #occupy movement and provide the class warfare rhetoric that drives it, the silence from the Administration and the Legacy Media on the subject is also telling.
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I wonder if the protesters are taking measures to protect the privacy of those caught in these videos? Interesting Danger Room blog post on the implications of this:
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PMedMoe said:Winter's here. :nod:
Occupy Regina camp torn down by police
All that remained of the Occupy Regina camp Wednesday was an iPod laying in the snow and circles of green grass showing where the tents once sat in snow-covered Victoria Park.
Members of the Regina Police Service and City of Regina bylaw enforcement took down the remaining nine tents in the park at 5 a.m. Wednesday. The tents were taken down under the authority of the Regina Parks and Open Spaces bylaw that does not permit an established camp in any city park. No resistance was met because the camp was already abandoned.
Glen Davies, the city manager, said that by 5:40 a.m., everything was cleaned up and he was not surprised to find the tents empty.
“(It was) an indication, I think, that people have been co-operating in terms of slowly removing themselves from the site,” said Davies.
Protesters were given eviction notices on Thursday and told they had until Saturday to exit the park. Several Occupiers left over the course of the weekend, leaving only a handful at the camp by Monday. Police handed out seven tickets after 11 p.m. Monday for violating a city bylaw that forbids anyone from remaining in a city park between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m.
Police discovered two people in the park at 11:30 p.m. Tuesday and both were issued tickets.
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Comment from the story on CBC:
I saw a news clip last night and one of the protesters stated, "We'll be back in the spring, stronger than ever." Translation: "It's too cold to protest." :
Like I said - the weather will do the work.
Fair weather protestors = WIMPs
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/11/16/f-rfa-macdonald-occupy-wall-street.html
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Retired Philadelphia police captain joins Occupy Wall Street in uniform, and is arrested. Not just for "hippies", apparently...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw5l0F-pe78&feature=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw5l0F-pe78&feature=share
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I am going to throw some thoughts in here, and I will p*ss people off, but I really don't care. I have my opions and you have yours.
1. A lot of army guys chime in about "protestors this and hippies that...". Has anybody not noticed in the last few years that there have been alot of economic/wealth based protest? When you step back and look at the big picture, there is a few things that bother me.
2. Some of the people who come out and protest are useless thugs looking to cause damage or young dirt bags that have never worked an honest day in their life, I have no time for them.
3. Some of the people protesting are respectable and hard working or formerly hard working decent citizens as part of occupy movements. That should ring some alarm bells with people.
4. Its too easy for people who have had a decent paying job for the last 3 or 5 or 20 years to pass comments about these protest. Imagine if you had a job and suddenly lost it, No, there are not jobs growing on trees these days. Its very, very hard on people who lose their living. People get desperate.
5. I don't think corporate greed is a myth, I think its a stinking reality. Pharmaceutical based, oil or petrol based, agricultural chemical based, food processing based corporations have lobbied to change laws, rules and regulations to ensure profits stay in their pockets and smaller companies can't even think of competing. They will use horse sh*t arguments like safety or market fairness. I have seen some examples of this and even talked to (In the case of agricultural) people with inside info. Its truly sickening.
6. I learned a ton of info about debt and loans in Canada when some relatives got into trouble. I was not aware of the dirty tactics that some financial companies would use.
I think people in the army need to realize their are TWO sides to this argument. Many Canadians are living a very sh*tty life and have no secure or reliable future except (if lucky) minimum wage jobs.
I don't excuse civil disobedience but I don't think large corporations should be allowed to bend, influence or sick an army of attack lawyers and lobbyist on our law makers for their own profit purse.
1. A lot of army guys chime in about "protestors this and hippies that...". Has anybody not noticed in the last few years that there have been alot of economic/wealth based protest? When you step back and look at the big picture, there is a few things that bother me.
2. Some of the people who come out and protest are useless thugs looking to cause damage or young dirt bags that have never worked an honest day in their life, I have no time for them.
3. Some of the people protesting are respectable and hard working or formerly hard working decent citizens as part of occupy movements. That should ring some alarm bells with people.
4. Its too easy for people who have had a decent paying job for the last 3 or 5 or 20 years to pass comments about these protest. Imagine if you had a job and suddenly lost it, No, there are not jobs growing on trees these days. Its very, very hard on people who lose their living. People get desperate.
5. I don't think corporate greed is a myth, I think its a stinking reality. Pharmaceutical based, oil or petrol based, agricultural chemical based, food processing based corporations have lobbied to change laws, rules and regulations to ensure profits stay in their pockets and smaller companies can't even think of competing. They will use horse sh*t arguments like safety or market fairness. I have seen some examples of this and even talked to (In the case of agricultural) people with inside info. Its truly sickening.
6. I learned a ton of info about debt and loans in Canada when some relatives got into trouble. I was not aware of the dirty tactics that some financial companies would use.
I think people in the army need to realize their are TWO sides to this argument. Many Canadians are living a very sh*tty life and have no secure or reliable future except (if lucky) minimum wage jobs.
I don't excuse civil disobedience but I don't think large corporations should be allowed to bend, influence or sick an army of attack lawyers and lobbyist on our law makers for their own profit purse.
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No, I cannot fault you with your points, however, it's mostly optics. What most of us may see ( and I am guilty of it ) is the dirty smelly hippies, the it's Woodstock still hippies or the young trouble makers. Maybe they are the most vocal and attention grabbing of the lot. But when I see them, I tune out. Period. They are always bitching about every friggin thing and I am sick to death of hearing/seeing their yelps as they love to demonstrate at the drop of the hat ala "The boy who cried Wolf".
I agree the world is not fair. The rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer. This has I suspect always been the trend overall (with maybe the exception for the Black Plague years when things were evened out mostly for the survivors) and I don't see this changing frankly. I don't like the corporate greed out there either, but they hold the cards and have the standing as the house or city hall. The house usually wins, and you rarely successfully fight city hall.
Until the "occupy" folks get their collective shit together, have some coherent points to make to the rest of us by respectable looking folks I fear most of us will continue to tune out.
I agree the world is not fair. The rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer. This has I suspect always been the trend overall (with maybe the exception for the Black Plague years when things were evened out mostly for the survivors) and I don't see this changing frankly. I don't like the corporate greed out there either, but they hold the cards and have the standing as the house or city hall. The house usually wins, and you rarely successfully fight city hall.
Until the "occupy" folks get their collective shit together, have some coherent points to make to the rest of us by respectable looking folks I fear most of us will continue to tune out.
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Rick: your points 3, 4, 5 and 6 are well taken and I had some hope that OWS might highlight what I see as a real inequality problem - but OWS failed; it is incoherent. Yes there are decent, hard working people who have been/are being/will be badly served by "Wall Street" (and all those two words imply) but they have failed to enunciate a clear, comprehensible case for (or even against) anything. They let the "campers" take over and those "campers," the "children" are ill informed, to be charitable.
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Having actually gone to the Occupy Vancouver site a few times, I can say that a number of the people there are intelligent, with coherent concerns about wealth disparity, corporate influence on government, affordability of life essentials, etc. Some of them might be every-day radicals, but some are not. The "are nots" are feeling pushed towards public displays of anger and frustration because they see the system as fixed in favour of the existing power/money holders. The "camp" also attracts wingnuts (9/11 truthers, etc.), but these seem to be peripheral. The "campers" are not all "children". I think that this movement, ill-defined as it may be, has exposed real anger that exists in many lower and middle class Canadians who feel that the system is rolling over them, and that there is no mechanism in the system to let them fix it.
