Replacing the Subs

[Good2Golf]

Marko Ramius would approve…

The cook wouldn’t…


Edit to add: Let’s not lose sight of the lead boat to receive the MHD drive…. USS ‘I Would Have Liked To Have Seen’ Montana

 

[SeaKingTacco]

The cook wouldn’t…


Edit to add: Let’s not lose sight of the lead boat to receive the MHD drive…. USS ‘I Would Have Liked To Have Seen’ Montana

QFTFT…

 

[OldSolduer]

Marko Ramius would approve…

Da Comrade SKT.....one ping only please....

 

[Happy Guy]

Canada unveils updated defence policy, plan to spend $73B over 20 years on renewing military capacity​

Overly optimistic perspective with respect to possible Cdn submarine replacement to the Victoria Class. Nuclear option for submarines - I think that ths gov't, or any other gov't (CPC, NDP), will not be taking this option very seriously due to high cost and possible negative public opinion. This is a throw away COA.

In addition to air and land, Canada needs to be prepared to defend itself under the ice, the document said.

Back in 2021, the Royal Canadian Navy launched a long-anticipated push to replace the country's four Victoria-class submarines, which will reach the end of their lifespan in the mid-2030s.

The updated defence policy calls for the purchase of conventionally powered submarines -- but the prime minister left the door open Monday to a nuclear-powered option.

"That is certainly what we will be looking at, as to what type of submarines are most appropriate for Canada's responsibility in protecting the longest coastline in the world, and certainly the longest Arctic coastline in the world," he said.

Along with that, Trudeau said Canada is exploring the possibility of joining the second phase of AUKUS, the U.S.-led alliance with the United Kingdom and Australia.

The initial pillar of the alliance was focused on developing nuclear-powered submarines for Australia. Its second phase is focused on advanced capabilities like quantum computing, AI and cyber technologies.

 

[dimsum]

Canada unveils updated defence policy, plan to spend $73B over 20 years on renewing military capacity​

Overly optimistic perspective with respect to possible Cdn submarine replacement to the Victoria Class. Nuclear option for submarines - I think that ths gov't, or any other gov't (CPC, NDP), will not be taking this option very seriously due to high cost and possible negative public opinion. This is a throw away COA.

The good thing with Canadian public opinion is that it’s already so negative that they might as well Leeroy Jenkins it.

In a weird way it’s a benefit. No one really cares about the CAF so that gives it a bit of wiggle room (without the funds though). The CAF could just get it and announce it, and most of the Canadian public wouldn’t care if we got SSKs or SSNs. The issue would be the infrastructure and cost.

Example: MQ-9B purchase. Originally there were the “stop killer robots” crowd but now no one cares that we’re getting them.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Well I have "Explored our options" and will be placing an order for 6x KS-III tomorrow on Canada's behalf.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

You know, military housing is actually the only housing that falls squarely into the Federal government powers. If JT wants to build houses, he has large tracts of military properties where he can build affordable housing for rental at an affordable price to people that most definitely fall into the "middle class and those trying to join it": Members of the CAF under the rank of Col/Capt(N).

He can get started tomorrow if he wants. Plus, he doesn't have to stop: when he has built the new ones, he can have the old ones demolished and replaced - something that should have been started about 25-30 years ago.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

You know, military housing is actually the only housing that falls squarely into the Federal government powers. If JT wants to build houses, he has large tracts of military properties where he can build affordable housing for rental at an affordable price to people that most definitely fall into the "middle class and those trying to join it": Members of the CAF under the rank of Col/Capt(N).

He can get started tomorrow if he wants. Plus, he doesn't have to stop: when he has built the new ones, he can have the old ones demolished and replaced - something that should have been started about 25-30 years ago.

That only reels you in ~25000 votes at most, so the juice isn't worth the squeeze to do anything about military housing, or Defence in general.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

But he could have videos made of houses being built by the Canadian government. He wouldn't have to tell the public where the pictures come from.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

That only reels you in ~25000 votes at most, so the juice isn't worth the squeeze to do anything about military housing, or Defence in general.

Every military family in an RHU, is one less family competing for a house/apartment in the community around a base…

 

[Kirkhill]

Just do what was done at Currie. Build PMQs and then sell them to the local municipality.

 

[KevinB]

Just do what was done at Currie. Build PMQs and then sell them to the local municipality.

Never ever do what was done at/to Currie

 

[Kirkhill]

Never ever do what was done at/to Currie

Mewata-Tecumseh-Currie-Harvey-Sarcee - My home.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You know, military housing is actually the only housing that falls squarely into the Federal government powers. If JT wants to build houses, he has large tracts of military properties where he can build affordable housing for rental at an affordable price to people that most definitely fall into the "middle class and those trying to join it": Members of the CAF under the rank of Col/Capt(N).

He can get started tomorrow if he wants. Plus, he doesn't have to stop: when he has built the new ones, he can have the old ones demolished and replaced - something that should have been started about 25-30 years ago.

That only reels you in ~25000 votes at most, so the juice isn't worth the squeeze to do anything about military housing, or Defence in general.

Can you imagine what CFHA would charge for a new build PMQ these days ?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Can you imagine what CFHA would charge for a new build PMQ these days ?

Market rate rent for a new build.... which in Kingston would be approx 3500 for a 3 bedroom semi.

Good thing CFHA rent is capped at 25% of Gross pay. Which even for my rate of pay is $2100 bucks a month.

 

[KevinB]

Honestly just get into bed with AUKUS as a Pillar 1 member.

8-12 SSN’s would be a massive upgrade and give Canada unfettered sovereignty in your Arctic region with under ice patrol capabilities- as well as the speed and endurance to conduct Pacific missions if needed.

Bonus for JT’s Government it’s a long long way away and one could point to the costs as getting Canada over 2%

 

[Kirkhill]

Honestly just get into bed with AUKUS as a Pillar 1 member.

If they would have us.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

If they would have us.

I'm certain our Allies want us to be on the Winning Team and contribute to it, because we can and do work well together when we play the game.

Ottawa, however, dithers on it because hockey is dangerous and equipment is expensive...

 

[GR66]

Honestly just get into bed with AUKUS as a Pillar 1 member.

8-12 SSN’s would be a massive upgrade and give Canada unfettered sovereignty in your Arctic region with under ice patrol capabilities- as well as the speed and endurance to conduct Pacific missions if needed.

Bonus for JT’s Government it’s a long long way away and one could point to the costs as getting Canada over 2%

I agree 100% in principle with the idea, but there are a bunch of things that get in the way of making it a reality.

1) Nuclear. Hard sell politically up here North of the 49th.
2) Budget. SSN's would definitely push us over the 2% target but we'd face the same problem as the Aussies - the subs will drain too much money from our other military requirements. We have lots of other spending priorities (NORAD, F-35's, CSCs, tanks, arty, ammo, comms, personnel, infrastructure, etc.) Even at 2%+ we won't be able to afford SSNs AND all the other things we need.
3) Availability. It's doubtful that there is sub-building capacity to meet the existing requirements for the US/UK/Australia. How are you going to squeeze in another 8-12 boats in a timeframe that won't require an interim solution for Canada.
4) The RCN. From what I've been reading on these forums there would have to be a major culture change in the RCN before I'd trust them with SSNs. All we need is a Canadian Kursk incident.

 

[suffolkowner]

I agree 100% in principle with the idea, but there are a bunch of things that get in the way of making it a reality.

1) Nuclear. Hard sell politically up here North of the 49th.
2) Budget. SSN's would definitely push us over the 2% target but we'd face the same problem as the Aussies - the subs will drain too much money from our other military requirements. We have lots of other spending priorities (NORAD, F-35's, CSCs, tanks, arty, ammo, comms, personnel, infrastructure, etc.) Even at 2%+ we won't be able to afford SSNs AND all the other things we need.
3) Availability. It's doubtful that there is sub-building capacity to meet the existing requirements for the US/UK/Australia. How are you going to squeeze in another 8-12 boats in a timeframe that won't require an interim solution for Canada.
4) The RCN. From what I've been reading on these forums there would have to be a major culture change in the RCN before I'd trust them with SSNs. All we need is a Canadian Kursk incident.

and we'd still need SSK's to tide us over until SSN's were ready