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Reconstitution

Can they just designate them WFH?
These folks still need admin support (although this could be done remotely if we change how we do business), medical and dental support, gym/FORCE testing, individual training, etc, which is not negligeable, especially for popular destinations.
 
Can they just designate them WFH?

You assume that most people can be more efficient working from home, but they're not it seems.

Remote workers work longer, not more efficiently​

A new study on remote working​


The return to the office is well under way, just as summer in the northern hemisphere begins. Pretty soon, people will be able to resume the habit of staring wistfully out of the window, hoping it will still be sunny at the weekend. As many workers embrace a hybrid pattern, perhaps commuting 2-3 days a week, the experiment in full-time home-working is ending. At the same time, assessments of its effectiveness are proliferating.

Early surveys of employees and employers found that remote work did not reduce productivity. But a new study* of more than 10,000 employees at an Asian technology company between April 2019 and August 2020 paints a different picture. The firm uses software installed on employees’ computers that tracked which applications or websites were active, and whether the employee was using the keyboard or a mouse. (Shopping online didn’t count.)

The research certainly concluded that the employees were working hard. Total hours worked were 30% higher than before the pandemic, including an 18% increase in working outside normal hours. But this extra effort did not translate into any rise in output. This may explain the earlier survey evidence; both employers and employees felt they were producing as much as before. But the correct way to measure productivity is output per working hour. With all that extra time on the job, this fell by 20%.

The interesting thing is why this happened. The academics were able to analyse how much time the employees spent in “collaboration hours”, defined as various types of meetings, and how much time they had as “focus hours”, uninterrupted by calls or emails, where they could concentrate on their tasks. Despite working longer hours, the employees had less focus time than before the pandemic. Instead, all their extra time was taken up by meetings. Long-time readers may recall Bartleby’s law: 80% of the time of 80% of the people in meetings is wasted. This study certainly offers evidence for the proposition.

One possibility is that managers are less certain of their team’s commitment and are holding more meetings to check on them. Another is that managers call so many meetings to validate their own existence when they are not in the office. However, the academics suggest the greater need for meetings is the result of the greater difficulty of co-ordinating employees when they are working remotely—another hint that the process is inefficient. When working remotely, employees also spend less time being evaluated, trained and coached.

This seems a raw deal for the employees. They received no more money for the overtime. Although they saved commuting time, this did not offset the extra hours spent in meetings. Not all workers behaved the same way. Those who had worked at the company the longest tended to be more productive, suggesting that they found it easier to navigate the hazards of home-working. Employees with children worked around 20 minutes a day more than those without, implying an even greater fall in their productivity, presumably because they were distracted by child-care duties.

So does this mean companies will abandon remote working altogether, even its hybrid version? The academics point out that the staff at the firm under study are nearly all college-educated and their roles “involve significant cognitive work, developing new software or hardware applications or solutions, collaborating with teams of professionals, working with clients, and engaging in innovation and continuous improvement”. Such work may have posed a particular challenge in remote settings, compared with occupations like responding to customer calls, say, where employees may work to a scripted set of replies.

It is hardly surprising that there would be some teething and co-ordination problems involved with remote working. The practice was, after all, imposed suddenly. The study stopped last August and one wonders whether employees have learned to use their time more efficiently since then. And the research shows that employees were able to achieve as much output with slightly less “focus time” than they had at the office. The real source of inefficiency—surprise, surprise—was the time spent in meetings. And the answer is simple; don’t call as many, and keep them short.

 
These folks still need admin support (although this could be done remotely if we change how we do business), medical and dental support, gym/FORCE testing, individual training, etc, which is not negligeable, especially for popular destinations.
That's actually part of the remote work tracking; they are supposed to be keeping track of number of personnel working in a geographic area. So far numbers are pretty small so probably balances out (particularly as we're generally way below remar on most billets). It's not negligible but seems manageable.

On the plus side for family members means they don't have to try and find health care in a new province, which is I think going to be an increasingly critical item as family doctors retire/move.
 
I really liked what I read, first, about what Gen Eyre said. I still like the idea of doing the essentials while trying to reconstitute our fighting and support units ...
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... I fear that Fabius is right and this is all just fluff and flummery to disguise the fact that the military is, task-by-task and unit-by-unit, being reduced to political and operational irrelevance. I suspect that DND's civil and military leadership both:

a. knows that; and​
b. knows that it is powerless to do anything because it is faced with massive (dare I say 90+%?) public indifference.​

All the major political parties poll assiduously and they don't just ask softball questions. They really want to know what Canadians want and what Canadians think is important. Canadians, an overwhelming majority of Canadians, DO NOT CARE about the national defence. That is the political reality; that is why neither Prime Minister Trudeau nor Pierre Poilievre ever talk about reconstituting the military.

The problem facing the minister and her departmental and defence staffs is NOT Justin Trudeau ... it is our friends and neighbours and our family members who put defence down at the bottom of their political priority lists.
 
I don’t disagree with the premise that the average Canadian does not consider defence high on the priority list if it even makes it there.

However governing by public opinion and polling I think is also part of our overall national problem. Such a means of decision making I think leads to short term perspectives and projects and what about me thinking. I agree that it’s natural for politicians to do as it’s an easy means to winning elections.
Being a statesmen with large ideas and the ability to convince the public that the idea has merit and is nessecary, that is another thing entirely.
I don’t think that the military leadership can do that, due to our system. They can’t really answer questions from Parliament honestly nor offer their professional opinion. That never makes it into the public sphere as it could be seen as criticism of government. This I think is a weakness of our system as compared to the US where Generals seem much more forthright to Congress.

If we are to change it will need to be done by someone with more vision than our typical politicians and flag officers, someone who can convince Canadians that the expense is needed and worth the trade offs. I don’t expect Canadians to change in and of themselves.
 
.. I fear that Fabius is right and this is all just fluff and flummery to disguise the fact that the military is, task-by-task and unit-by-unit, being reduced to political and operational irrelevance. I suspect that DND's civil and military leadership both:

a. knows that; and​
b. knows that it is powerless to do anything because it is faced with massive (dare I say 90+%?) public indifference.​
Our public, that doesn’t really care, still throws the military about $22 Billion a year out of their taxes.

Can‘t our integral leadership, that are specially selected and expensively trained, find some way to build some kind of combat capability within those assigned resources? I mean, we are a top 20 military spender in the world — more than Israel, Spain, Brazil and Turkey — instead of whining that we need more money, and that Treasury Board is always mean to us, maybe we should just build something that works within our existing boundaries.
 
There is nothing in our (Westminster based) system that makes overt, public criticism of the government by officials, including admirals and generals, wrong ... but it does mean that they will, very likely, be fired or, in some cases - they know or might to know where the line is - need to be followed, almost immediately, by an honourable resignation.

Politicians and statements are different breeds - the latter are very rare and are, often (think e.g. Cecil (1550-1595) and Pitt the Younger (1780-1805)), called forth by events.

Politics is a short term business - electoral term short. Polling is a good way to find out what the people - who politicians (mostly honestly) want to serve - really want and need (not always the same thing). Some polls, the ones made public by parties and the media, are just fluff, intended to tell us what this party or that party wants us to think matters, but the private polls are much better designed and aim to get at the public's, not the party's views.
 
Our public, that doesn’t really care, still throws the military about $22 Billion a year out of their taxes.

Can‘t our integral leadership, that are specially selected and expensively trained, find some way to build some kind of combat capability within those assigned resources? I mean, we are a top 20 military spender in the world — more than Israel, Spain, Brazil and Turkey — instead of whining that we need more money, and that Treasury Board is always mean to us, maybe we should just build something that works within our existing boundaries.

No, because that, most emphatically, is NOT their job.

It is the duty off the civil power to decide how and with what - people and equipment - the armed forces must defend the country - that's why the key appointments in any defence ministry (policy, finance, personnel and materiel) are filled by senior (politicized) civil servants, not by GOFOs) It is the duty off admirals and generals to do their best with what is provided or to resign ... after explaining that blood and treasure are being wasted.
 
No, because that, most emphatically, is NOT their job.

It is the duty off the civil power to decide how and with what - people and equipment - the armed forces must defend the country - that's why the key appointments in any defence ministry (policy, finance, personnel and materiel) are filled by senior (politicized) civil servants, not by GOFOs) It is the duty off admirals and generals to do their best with what is provided or to resign ... after explaining that blood and treasure are being wasted.
There is a clear need, and I say a clear duty, on senior military leaders to educate both the politicians and the civilian bureaucrats on the military's capabilities in simple graphic terms (explaining things in simple graphic terms is a skill the military seems to have lost, however)

I'm thinking of one of those software option charts that set out capabilities down one column and then has different software version in the adjoining ones with checkmarks and Xs as to what it can and cannot do.

When I read the current SSE and the Army is described as "agile, scalable, and responsive" and as having "the depth to permanently shape the security environment through effective deterrence of threats and ultimately, with a critical mass of troops on the ground, to prevail in the most difficult circumstances - combat with an advanced adversary." (p.36) it makes me want to hurl. It's nothing short of a bald-faced lie being told to the Canadian public and tolerated by the CDS and Army chain of command. There isn't one checkmark on a chart of the present Army that would appear next to "effective deterrent" or "prevail against advanced adversary"

IMHO, tacit complicity in such an outrageous charade is a moral failing as an officer regardless of whether the lie comes from a deluded or venal politician. This is why I tend to heap more scorn and blame on Canada's senior officers rather than the politicians and bureaucrats. The officers should know better what the consequences of such neglect are. It is their sworn duty to maintain an efficient armed forces and if they can't do so, based on the failures of the politicians and bureaucrats, it is their duty to get out of the way for someone who can and to inform the public of the reality of the situation. I'll admit, a protest by the then CDS may not have carried much weight considering subsequent events.

The days of simply tugging your forelock and saying "Yes boss" are long behind us.

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I don't know that pay increases do much for new entries. New equipment and a clear mission statement would probably go further with getting people in the front door and keeping a hold of them for a couple of years. Quality of life and pay increases will dictate if they want to stick around and turn it into a career.
I'm late to the party but I agree. Pay is pay. For most, not much more than a nicety after 60k per person.

What matters more is support, purpose, having the tools for the job, and not being screwed with. Sitting for a year in accommodations that are falling apart while awaiting training on equipment that has been obsolete for decades and being told you're evil because of the way you were born does much more damage to ''rec'n'ret'' than pay that hasn't kept up with exceptionally high inflation.

Why? Because pay hasn't risen elsewhere either. But the other factors might have.
 
I really liked what I read, first, about what Gen Eyre said. I still like the idea of doing the essentials while trying to reconstitute our fighting and support units ...
.
.
.
... but ...
.
.
.
... I fear that Fabius is right and this is all just fluff and flummery to disguise the fact that the military is, task-by-task and unit-by-unit, being reduced to political and operational irrelevance. I suspect that DND's civil and military leadership both:

a. knows that; and​
b. knows that it is powerless to do anything because it is faced with massive (dare I say 90+%?) public indifference.​

All the major political parties poll assiduously and they don't just ask softball questions. They really want to know what Canadians want and what Canadians think is important. Canadians, an overwhelming majority of Canadians, DO NOT CARE about the national defence. That is the political reality; that is why neither Prime Minister Trudeau nor Pierre Poilievre ever talk about reconstituting the military.

The problem facing the minister and her departmental and defence staffs is NOT Justin Trudeau ... it is our friends and neighbours and our family members who put defence down at the bottom of their political priority lists.
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This got the attention of the Canadian public. This and Bikini Atoll, and H-Bombs and Sputniks and ICBMs.

They created the backdrop against which Mr. Campbell's candidate for "Best Prime Minister" - Louis St-Laurent - launched the creation of the modern Canadian Armed Forces.

75 years, a lifetime and 5 or 6 generations later - where nothing happened - and nobody believes there is an imperative.

You soldiers know people who died on foreign shores. Nobody died in action at home. The vast majority of Canadians don't know anybody who died. And those that do know of them also know that they voluntarily put themselves in that position...

Well done them.

Pass me a beer. How are the Sharks going to do this year?
 
I'm late to the party but I agree. Pay is pay. For most, not much more than a nicety after 60k per person.

What matters more is support, purpose, having the tools for the job, and not being screwed with. Sitting for a year in accommodations that are falling apart while awaiting training on equipment that has been obsolete for decades and being told you're evil because of the way you were born does much more damage to ''rec'n'ret'' than pay that hasn't kept up with exceptionally high inflation.

Why? Because pay hasn't risen elsewhere either. But the other factors might have.
The bolded part is the only part I take issue with, otherwise I agree.

A Capt/Lt(N) will make double what you quoted by the time SDA/LDA and PLD are factored in. Would you think being paid as a base non-Spec S1 is a nicety? They make $64K annually...

I get that about $60K is what the average Canadian makes, and if the CAF only wanted average Canadians that put in average time/work that might make sense as a baseline. The CAF expects far more, while treating people poorly, and leadership people make comments like the above.
 
The bolded part is the only part I take issue with, otherwise I agree.

A Capt/Lt(N) will make double what you quoted by the time SDA/LDA and PLD are factored in. Would you think being paid as a base non-Spec S1 is a nicety? They make $64K annually...

I get that about $60K is what the average Canadian makes, and if the CAF only wanted average Canadians that put in average time/work that might make sense as a baseline. The CAF expects far more, while treating people poorly, and leadership people make comments like the above.

And maybe there's a problem there. Are you recruiting for a Warrior Caste? Or are you recruiting Canadians to defend their country?

$120,000 a year?

I can hire you two PhDs for that. Full time.

How about you give me $120,000 and I recruit you 6x 20 year olds for 3 months each? And then release them on their own recognisance for the rest of the year with an offer of another $20,000 next year?
 
And maybe there's a problem there. Are you recruiting for a Warrior Caste? Or are you recruiting Canadians to defend their country?
We have been a Warrior Caste since 1968. Canadians don't defend their homeland; Canadian Armed Forces members do. We have a large, professional, standing military. We aren't calling up reserves or draftees to head to the front. We want people with industry level skills in some trades to come and serve with substandard conditions, compensation, and benefits all "For King and Country."

I checked with RBC and I can't pay off my mortgage with "For King and Country" any more than I could with magic beans.

$120,000 a year?

I can hire you two PhDs for that. Full time.
I can maybe hire half a Cyber Security specialist for 120K a year. How are we to become a digitally specialized force with RP/AI/ML if we are trying to attract those talents for pennies on the dollar compared to industry? We can't, we won't, and it's not a valid COA.

How about you give me $120,000 and I recruit you 6x 20 year olds for 3 months each? And then release them on their own recognisance for the rest of the year with an offer of another $20,000 next year?
Because we're short on 20 year old kids that have no skill sets we can employ right? Go to a BTL Platoon and you'll f8nd thousands of them.

What we're missing are the trained, specialized middle managers in the MCpl/Sgt Capt/Maj rank that are leaving in droves due to low pay and overwork. The tempo isn't going to slow down, so until we get more people to share the load, pay those who remain. If not, you'll still have those unskilled 20 year Olds with their thumbs up their asses, without the ability to lead, manage, or train them to accomplish our core business.
 
And maybe there's a problem there. Are you recruiting for a Warrior Caste? Or are you recruiting Canadians to defend their country?

$120,000 a year?

I can hire you two PhDs for that. Full time.

How about you give me $120,000 and I recruit you 6x 20 year olds for 3 months each? And then release them on their own recognisance for the rest of the year with an offer of another $20,000 next year?
Maybe it's time we stopped pretending that zeal for "King and Country" is what people sign up for.

If we want a professional military that can do the GoC's bigging on short notice, we need to pay what those people want/demand. Imaging that we'll fill the CAF with 20 year olds looking for adventure and wages like Subway pays is wishful thinking.
 
Because we're short on 20 year old kids that have no skill sets we can employ right? Go to a BTL Platoon and you'll f8nd thousands of them.

You will find a lot of 20 year olds that want those careers in AI. $20,000 a year would go a long way to paying their RBC education loans. And you might find a few that are willing to hang around for a few years For King and Country - and maybe, even, find a reason to maintain contact once they have a family and a mortgage. Those are the people that will happily top out as middle managers.

What we're missing are the trained, specialized middle managers in the MCpl/Sgt Capt/Maj rank that are leaving in droves due to low pay and overwork. The tempo isn't going to slow down, so until we get more people to share the load, pay those who remain. If not, you'll still have those unskilled 20 year Olds with their thumbs up their asses, without the ability to lead, manage, or train them to accomplish our core business.
 
Maybe it's time we stopped pretending that zeal for "King and Country" is what people sign up for.

If we want a professional military that can do the GoC's bigging on short notice, we need to pay what those people want/demand. Imaging that we'll fill the CAF with 20 year olds looking for adventure and wages like Subway pays is wishful thinking.

Actually, that's exactly why people join up, it seems.

I know these are US examples, but these results seem to square with what I observed amongst the teens and 20 somethings in my rifle companies over the years:


Studies tackle who joins the military and why, but their findings aren’t what many assume​


Ever since the U.S. military became an all-volunteer force, a preconception has existed among many Americans that those who choose to join the armed services do so because they have no other options.

That is the hypothethis of two studies released this year. Both debunk that stereotype, finding that the military is much more diverse ― and troops have much more varied reasons for signing up ― than some have assumed.


25 Most Common Reasons for Joining the Military

The Indeed Editorial Team comprises a diverse and talented team of writers, researchers and subject matter experts equipped with Indeed's data and insights to deliver useful tips to help guide your career journey.

 
Actually, that's exactly why people join up, it seems.

I know these are US examples, but these results seem to square with what I observed amongst the teens and 20 somethings in my rifle companies over the years:


Studies tackle who joins the military and why, but their findings aren’t what many assume​


Ever since the U.S. military became an all-volunteer force, a preconception has existed among many Americans that those who choose to join the armed services do so because they have no other options.

That is the hypothethis of two studies released this year. Both debunk that stereotype, finding that the military is much more diverse ― and troops have much more varied reasons for signing up ― than some have assumed.


25 Most Common Reasons for Joining the Military​

The Indeed Editorial Team comprises a diverse and talented team of writers, researchers and subject matter experts equipped with Indeed's data and insights to deliver useful tips to help guide your career journey.

Perhaps why they sign up but what we actually need is for people to stay in and train the new zealots. A bunch of new recruits are not very useful on their own.
 
Actually, that's exactly why people join up, it seems.

I know these are US examples, but these results seem to square with what I observed amongst the teens and 20 somethings in my rifle companies over the years:


Studies tackle who joins the military and why, but their findings aren’t what many assume​


Ever since the U.S. military became an all-volunteer force, a preconception has existed among many Americans that those who choose to join the armed services do so because they have no other options.

That is the hypothethis of two studies released this year. Both debunk that stereotype, finding that the military is much more diverse ― and troops have much more varied reasons for signing up ― than some have assumed.


25 Most Common Reasons for Joining the Military​

The Indeed Editorial Team comprises a diverse and talented team of writers, researchers and subject matter experts equipped with Indeed's data and insights to deliver useful tips to help guide your career journey.

America has a very different culture around service. They're also facing a massive uphill battle to recruit and retain personnel...
 
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