Ah hell, see what happens when you take a night off from the forums. Ok a little late but still after all the amusement he’s provided us here it seems only fitting to give NIMN a proper farewell. Besides odds are he’s lurking here still. 8)
So mod hat off and target to your front, and ….
Sunshine!!?? How old do you think I am?
In physical years or intellectual?
This is very patronizing.
And what would you call the verbal diarrhea you’ve been spouting here?
I started to write on this forum last night in a spirit of dialogue, but now it seems that anything I might write will be ridiculed, turned on it's head, used against me, etc.
Actually I don’t think you needed our help to have your words and thoughts ridiculed. They seem to be quite capable of that on their own.
It is obvious that I am not going to change any one's mind here (I didn't think I would from the start) and that was not really the point. Most people here just don't want to hear the arguments we're making. It's all crap to you and that's the end of it; there is absolutely no openness on your part. So much for coming straight to the dragon's Den.
Actually we do want to hear your arguments. We’ve been open and polite. Case in point your fellow traveler Valcartier2007 has remained within the confines of grown up debate and is still welcome here. As for the crap part…. Well I think that has pretty much covered itself here.
I don't think I was particularly nasty, or belligerent, or insulting at all.
If you say so, I’d say there are plenty of posts here to the contrary.
Yet you have all chosen 1) to distort pretty much everything I wrote to make me look bad,
Really you consider a concise examination of your arguments and a presentation of counter arguments backed by factual evidence as opposed to dragging out tired old slogans distortion. I have to get a copy of whatever dictionary you use.
according to your dearly held values (anything I wrote was bad a priori; even saying that military types are generally conservative was construed as an insult, for God's sake!); 2) ignored all valid points I have made - mainly about you serving first and foremost Western domination of the world (as if Canada was not part of NATO, was not the US' main ally, was not apologising for Israels' crimes, was not a colonial power, etc.) - you could only resort to weak sarcasm about these central arguments - (if you seriously believe that Western privilege is legitimate and has been legitimately acquired, it's worse than I thought, I had assume that some of you would be willing to concede at least as much); and 3) accused me of all sorts of evil that I know have nothing to do with my personality. I guess it's more convenient to demonise your opponent.
Oh where to begin with this one? Ah why bother. You’d fail to get the point and the others here already get it. You did get one thing right though. We do have dearly held values.
Well, I came here hoping for dialogue and was treated like crap, simply because I happen to hold a completely different set of beliefs than most of you.
No it was more like when began acting like a petulant five year old throwing a temper tantrum at the dinner table because you didn’t want to eat your Brussels Sprouts.
Now, we will see which way the wind blows in the next weeks and months. I can assure you that your beloved mission will turn sour, one way or another. Take my word for it, soldiers. That is inevitable. It's beyond me that you can't recognise this.
Hey if you know something about what’s going to happen over there of here, please feel free to share it, or is this just wishful thinking on your part.
You're all for democracy, you say, well you'll have to abide by it when the Canadian people want this bullshit war to stop.
Correct if the legally elected Government of this Country carrying out the wishes of the people tell us to go we will. Hopefully that will not be until the job is finished, but we will see.
Unless, a terrorist attack happens on Canadian territory... wouldn't that be convenient for war profiteers. Or another "terrorist plot" is uncovered. Or anything that can justifying staying in Afghanistan for years to come.
Dude stop watching Michael Moore videos. Seriously you almost sound like you want them to hit us. Of course I’m sure that you only prefer they killed and maimed us bad Canadians and not enlightened progressives like yourself. Sorry it just does not work that way.
Yet, I can't help but notice that no one really seriously denied or debunked any of my main criticism.
Really? And just what colour is the sky in your world?
Again, just a see of sarcasm. Why? And why are you so hostile? One could interpret this as negative acknowledgement.
Actually sarcasm is a long used and effective military weapon, as is the use of spellcheck, but I don’t think you got that.
A lot of you, most in fact, were busy cornering us on the after-war issue, cause you know full well that it's maybe our only real weak spot. It's nearly impossible to come up with an alternative solution to your military occupation, the disastrous situation YOUR PATRON POLITICIANS AND HAWKISH INTELLECTUALS CREATED FOR THE WORLD.
Actually I thought it was more like we stated we have a job to do there and will leave only when it is finished versus your argument which appears to be leave now and well whatever happens after that…..um we’ll get back to you on it.
There you are, if that can flatter you're camouflage-clad egos: you won. You can stay in Afghanistan for 20-30 years, how about that? That's a sustainable approach. It will definitely serve democracy ans insure our security. That's logical. Then, when angry young men come from from Pakistan or Pashtun country to blow stuff in Toronto or Montreal, you can "liberate" these territories too, bring democracy there, why not. This is manifest destiny.
There are so many places to "liberate" still. The whole world needs the Canadian military to fix it. You guys go on walking the walk!
We've said it before and we will say it again: this is a vicious circle, and you're feeding right into it.
We won, oh goody I’ll go out and buy myself a bigger hat to accommodate my inflated ego because I won a debate on the Internet with some putz who in the words of Sean Connery brought a knife to a gun fight.
BTW if meaning staying “there” or some other place for 20-30 years means that “it” does not come here, then that’s a sacrifice the men and woman here are willing to take. We’ve been in other places longer.
Perhaps a read through our history would show you that. Feel free to take a visit to the CWM in Ottawa anytime, believe it not there are some here who would not consider it a waste of time to guide you around it and try and explain who we are and why it has been necessary to do what we have had to do over the past several generations if not longer.
Failing that you can just crawl back into the hole of selfish self righteous denial you have created for yourself. Don’t’ worry better men and woman than you will ever be will continue to ensure the freedoms and security you take for granted are maintained.
On the other hand, you've been trained to follow orders and shut up. You've been trained to kill too. Unless I'm wrong about this also? You're paid to serve and obey; it might be easier in these conditions to actually believe all the bullshit they feed you. It's understandable, in a way. Again, I'm speaking to all the ones who felt compelled to aggressively blast me here. I do not think that all soldiers are the same.
Don’t flatter yourself there skippy. No one was compelled to come on here and tear you a new one and most here have (until now) shown great restraint.
You may think I'm full of crap, but after today's experience I can honestly say that many of those who assaulted me here fit this unflattering description as well.
Speaking personally I’ll take an insult from you mon ami as a compliment.
I don't think any less of soldiers in general, despite what you might think.
Funny your rather patronizing comment may have us think otherwise.
Even if I disagree with the deployment of troops to Afghanistan, I hope that you all come back alive and well to your families and friends. To those who think I'm being disingenuous about this, insert favoured profanity here. I care about people, whether this fits your preconceived idea of what an anarchist is, or not. I don't like people dying for oil and/or the variety of false pretexts served daily by politicians.
Despite our very obvious differences I’m willing to accept that is a sincere comment and I thank you for that.
This being said, I'm not going to waste anymore time arguing with you here by myself. You can rejoice in your defeating me with your superior intellects and infallible argumentation (many of you seem to have an issue with proving that you are indeed intelligent, what with all the talk of formal education, the obsession with "facts" vs. "opinion", what's with that?). I know that you know these last exchanges here sucked, and they sucked precisely because you consciously disrespected me whereas I was only trying to engage in dialogue. That is the way of the bully.
Yeah sorry with that whole “facts” versus “opinion” thingy we’re funny that way.
I, had no intention to offend anyone here. I believe it is my mere presence amongst you that was found to be offensive.
Not your presence sunshine.
At least I learned one thing: the Canadian military is composed of, intellectualy superior, middle class people with degrees. No underprivileged people has ever been lured in the Canadian Army against the promise of of financial security, no Sir! :-\ This is a myth! Such despicable tactics could never happen in Canada, the perfect country. (Excuse the sarcasm, it appears to be contagious... time for me to leave here.)
No the men and woman of the Canadian Forces are composed of a variety of people from all walks of like, cultures, and socio economic groups. When they take their uniforms off they have the same dreams and concerns as the rest of the country's citizens, wondering about their mortgages and taxes. Will their favourite team make the playoffs? Planning for their children’s future. They do however share a bond which unfortunately despite our numerous attempts to explain it to you here, you seem incapable of understanding, and that is your loss.
And yes it is time for you to leave.
Is it just me or does anyone else get the mental image of a petulant Louis the 14th waving a handkerchief at his courtesans? :king:
