No more uniforms in court

[kev994]

Not unexpected

Canada bans soldiers from wearing uniforms in civilian courts as Dany Fortin’s sex assault trial nears end

The new policy means that Maj.-Gen. Dany Fortin will not be able to wear his uniform when he hears the verdict in his sexual assault case on Dec. 5.

www.thestar.com

 

[PuckChaser]

You're on duty and have to wear civilian clothing so the CAF is providing suits at government expense?

 

[Kat Stevens]

I'd go down to Two Finger Tommy's Tuxedo Emporium and rent the most godawful powder blue 70s tux and then submit for reimbursement. Standards need to be maintained.

 

[brihard]

You're on duty and have to wear civilian clothing so the CAF is providing suits at government expense?

Nothing says you have to wear a suit to court. If someone is a criminal accused, why is that CAF’s problem to pay for your choice of clothing?

 

[PuckChaser]

Nothing says you have to wear a suit to court. If someone is a criminal accused, why is that CAF’s problem to pay for your choice of clothing?

If I'm ordered to court as an attending officer, why should I be out of pocket for civilian clothes? We literally have a civilian clothing allowance system for a reason.

"Just buy these collar dogs, it's part of your military factor."

 

[kev994]

You're on duty and have to wear civilian clothing so the CAF is providing suits at government expense?

If you read the article it says “unless you’re there for military purposes”
The Canforgen says appropriate civilian attire unless you’re testifying on behalf of the CAF.

 

[PuckChaser]

If you read the article it says “unless you’re there for military purposes”

Read the CANFORGEN. News articles aren't orders.

 

[kratz]

CAF members will also be banned from wearing their medals in court, regardless of the reason for their presence.

How is it enforceable to ban medals? The CAF does not own the medals, unlike the uniform.

 

[Jarnhamar]

If you read the article it says “unless you’re there for military purposes”

I believe AOs are required to wear civilian clothing. CAF members called as witnesses or something else that excapes me can wear uniforms.

CAF members will also be banned from wearing their medals in court, regardless of the reason for their presence.

I wonder if this means ribbons not medals to be worn, or neither.

 

[kev994]

Read the CANFORGEN. News articles aren't orders.

Yeah, saw that, too slow to edit

 

[dapaterson]

I'd go down to Two Finger Tommy's Tuxedo Emporium and rent the most godawful powder blue 70s tux and then submit for reimbursement. Standards need to be maintained.

So you used to be an MP and received civilian clothing allowance? Because that's how they dress .

 

[dangerboy]

I wonder if this means ribbons not medals to be worn, or neither.

The CANFORGEN says " The wearing of medals while in civilian court proceedings is not permitted, any CAF member proceeding in uniform will wear DEU 3, namely Tunic and ribbons...."

 

[Navy_Pete]

Sweet, now I'm free to wear my own pseudo military kit with fake medals, and perhaps a parrot, cap and tricorn. It's not a weapon sir, it's a religious accomodation as I identify as pirate, that saber is part of my firmly held beliefs!

Well done on the GOFOs at leading change again! Next step, leading positive changes, not driven by f*%$ng up.

 

[dimsum]

If I'm ordered to court as an attending officer, why should I be out of pocket for civilian clothes? We literally have a civilian clothing allowance system for a reason.

"Just buy these collar dogs, it's part of your military factor."

When do you need a suit as an AO?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The CAF is a joke at this point. I want to see someone go against this just for LOLz.

 

[dimsum]

The CAF is a joke at this point. I want to see someone go against this just for LOLz.

They totally can - if supported by their CoC as per the article.

The interesting part (again, as per article) is that this new policy apparently puts the CAF in line with police forces and other militaries.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

 

[dangerboy]

I am in and I see nothing wrong with this rule.

 

[brihard]

If I'm ordered to court as an attending officer, why should I be out of pocket for civilian clothes? We literally have a civilian clothing allowance system for a reason.

"Just buy these collar dogs, it's part of your military factor."

Oh, for an AO, sure- if their duties require civilian clothes, yeah, pay the casual allowance for whatever it’s called. Though I would hope that any assisting officer would have at least some sort of appropriate civilian clothing. It’s not like they’re going on the stand.

How is it enforceable to ban medals? The CAF does not own the medals, unlike the uniform.

Court is invariably on weekdays, during normal duty hours for most CAF members. Last I checked, CAF gets to prescribe your order of dress. I’ve been out a couple of years but is that not still the case? In any event, why would you wear medals to your own criminal trial other than to try to influence the court or jury with shinies? CAF is fully in the right to prohibit this, as it looks like an accused leveraging military status for leniency.

They totally can - if supported by their CoC as per the article.

The interesting part (again, as per article) is that this new policy apparently puts the CAF in line with police forces and other militaries.

Bloody right. Any of us on trial for alleged offences will not be wearing a police uniform to our trial. Testifying as a witness? Sure, might be in uniform, might be in a suit, usually depends on what our normal duties are that day before and after court. If I’m on a 0600-1800 shift on the road and I’m a trial witness at 10, I’m probably there in uniform. If my normal job is plainclothes, I’m likely there in that.

At the end of the day, why WOULD a CAF member be permitted to wear their uniform to civil court as the accused in a criminal trial? CAF absolutely has the right to prohibit that and to protect its image.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Oh, for an AO, sure- if their duties require civilian clothes, yeah, pay the casual allowance for whatever it’s called. Though I would hope that any assisting officer would have at least some sort of appropriate civilian clothing. It’s not like they’re going on the stand.


Court is invariably on weekdays, during normal duty hours for most CAF members. Last I checked, CAF gets to prescribe your order of dress. I’ve been out a couple of years but is that not still the case? In any event, why would you wear medals to your own criminal trial other than to try to influence the court or jury with shinies? CAF is fully in the right to prohibit this, as it looks like an accused leveraging military status for leniency.



Bloody right. Any of us on trial for alleged offences will not be wearing a police uniform to our trial. Testifying as a witness? Sure, might be in uniform, might be in a suit, usually depends on what our normal duties are that day before and after court. If I’m on a 0600-1800 shift on the road and I’m a trial witness at 10, I’m probably there in uniform. If my normal job is plainclothes, I’m likely there in that.

What happens if they are a Reservist? Duhduhduh!

The CAF going to pay them to not wear medals 😁

Who said anything about leniency?

Did Mark Norman wear his medals for leniency? You're talking about sentencing dude, not the actual trial itself.