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Medical Rejection: How to Appeal? [Merged]

Hi Kratz,

When I request for second review the Medical Officer request to go back and request for reassessment which is I did.  The first specialist assessed me was an Environment Specialist and the one who did the reassessment recently is a Rheumatologist who specialize in Chronic pain and she ruled out the first assessment from the Environment Specialist. And she submitted to my Family doctor the result and forward to the Medical officer and still have the same result.

I know there are better/other ways to serve Canadians, but I want to serve other countries as well and show them what Canadians are when it comes to Humanitarian.

For me I wanted to explore and make a huge difference.  I want a more challenging career,  then I will still try and until I succeed.
 
chatie25 said:
What should I do?

It sounds like you have already done this. ( ? )

At any rate, you may, or may not, find this discussion of interest,

Challenging a medical decision/Requesting second review 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/37404.0

As always, Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.
 
Good day,

I've been lurking around for awhile before signing up. I have a little question regarding the processing time for the medical file review. I did my medical early December, was deemed fit by the PA, and my file was sent for final approval, Now I know the recruiting center says about 3 months to be process, from what i can gather here the actual time seems to be 8-12 weeks. My question is does anybody here had their file marked as ''urgent'' when sent for review? I'm asking because mine was labeled as ''urgent, for re enrollment''  I'm hoping for faster than 3 months but I'm not holding my breath. I'm fully aware that I am not the only one being processed and that nobody other than Dmedpol would know for sure, that's why I'm asking if any one here had something similar.

Thank you
 
I was wondering if anyone has an info about appealing a decision about being denied into the Reserves for Having Controlled hypothyroidism
 
So I was deemed medically unfit cause in high school (5 years ago) I went through a period of 4 months in which I went through a depressive phase and psychologists said I may had psychosis but I was never diagnosed with it. Any ways I took medication for a weeks and I didn’t wanna do it anymore. And after 4 months I stopped seeing doctors about the whole ordeal and I haven’t seen a doctor since the incident in 5 years. And when I applied for the military I passed everything except for the medical. So I need a doctors note to send to the medical examiner in Ottawa. So I asked my family doctor and she said she couldn’t write me a letter cause she doesn’t want to take a risk just in case something goes wrong ( as in if I’m in the military and I go AWOL or something) but I swear I’m all better now. And I can’t get a psychiatrist cause my doctor won’t refer to anyone cause apparently since I live in a different city then my doctor she can’t refer me. So I need to find a psychiatrist on my own but no one will take me cause I don’t have a doctors referral. Right now I’m at a stump on what to do. And I’m on here asking for anyones help. Thank you.
 
jaredl888 said:
And I can’t get a psychiatrist cause my doctor won’t refer to anyone cause apparently since I live in a different city then my doctor she can’t refer me. So I need to find a psychiatrist on my own but no one will take me cause I don’t have a doctors referral. Right now I’m at a stump on what to do. And I’m on here asking for anyones help. Thank you.

Red bit strikes me as fishy - my family doc is a 90 minute drive to another part of the province from me, yet he manages to refer me to the people he needs me to see within the province.  Do you live in another province?  If so, then that's likely the problem, since you might be under the wrong provincial health care plan...otherwise, my initial statement holds.

My advice is you either need to find a new family doc and have your records shipped over and start that way or find out what the bug up her behind really is.

:2c:

MM
 
jaredl888 said:
. . . I haven’t seen a doctor since the incident in 5 years.  . . . I need a doctors note . . .  asked my family doctor and she said she couldn’t write me a letter cause she doesn’t want to take a risk . . .

Like medicineman, I think we are hearing only part of the story (though I wouldn't categorize it as "fishy").  Likely, what you relate is indeed what you "think" is happening or what you think your "family" doctor said.

If you haven't seen a doctor in five years, are you sure that this doctor considers a doctor-patient relationship to still exist between the two of you (for new issues anyway), especially since you "may" be living outside her normal catchment area?  You seem to have two main issues with this physician.  Firstly, that she wouldn't prepare a "third-party report"* and secondly that she would not refer you to a psychiatrist.

Generally all jurisdictions in Canada hold that the obligation (ethically or legally?) to provide such reports depends on whether the physician has a treating relationship with the subject of the report.  As to the circumstances of your case, (five years since you saw this physician for health services) this blurb from the Canadian Medical Protective Association (CMPA - the liability/malpractice insurer in Canada) provides a good outline of what they should report.
It is not uncommon to receive a request for a report about a patient whom you have not attended for some time. You are still obliged to provide a report as to the patient's condition at the time of last attendance. Generally, you are not obliged to call the patient back for reassessment. The report should indicate when you first saw the patient for the condition, when you last saw the patient, and should make it clear your report is limited to that period of contact with the patient. You would obviously be unable to comment on the patient's current condition.

In my opinion, this physician does have some obligation to provide a third party report (at your request, with your consent and with the payment of whatever fee that doctor has set - this is not a health service and thus is not covered by provincial insurance).  Such a report should only cover the interaction you had with this doctor five years ago and should include the details of how/why you first sought help from her, any referral she made to specialists (i.e. who sent you to the psychologists?), any diagnosis or impressions she (or the psychologists) made back then, any treatment she prescribed and the progress you made including you ceasing to see the doctor for follow-up.  Her report would not be able to provide any opinion about your current health status (mental or otherwise) since you have not seen her in five years.  You may not be happy with an honest report.

One of the common complaints about civilian medical practitioners providing medical reports for CF applicants is that they give opinions about whether or not the applicant can do the job for which they are applying.  That is not what is wanted; the report should include only the facts of the patient's condition, treatment and progress (if known).

Referring to a psychiatrist - I can only make a supposition about the reluctance of this doctor to refer you to a psychiatrist since I don't know her or the complete story.  However, she "may" have difficulty in finding a psychiatrist to accept a referral since you are not presenting with a health complaint but are seeking someone solely to complete a third party report stating that you are now better that you were five years ago; this may be more difficult since it would have to be a psychiatrist who did not see you when you were in your "depressive phase" and thus has no basis on which to judge your improvement.  Now, since the "psychologists" seemingly had input into whatever original diagnosis was made, can your doctor refer you to them (or to a clinical psychologist in current location) to do the same thing they did five years ago, make an evaluation of your mental status?  Either, your family doctor or your original psychologist should still have copies of any reports they made back then of your condition and this can be a starting point for someone accepting you as a new patient/client.


http://www.cpso.on.ca/Policies-Publications/Policy/Third-Party-Reports
* Third party reports: Forms, letters or reports physicians are asked to complete or prepare in relation to a third party process that are not for the purpose of the provision of health care.
 
Hi all,
I applied for the primary reserves a while back and got medically rejected, and so I submitted an appeal which included a note and report from my doctor stating that I have been off medications for a while now and that there is an extremely low chance of reoccurrence. However, my appeal was also rejected saying that I do not meet the common enrollment medical standards since there is apparently a high chance of my condition reoccurring, I contacted the medical technician that was in charge of my case and he was also confused, and said he would try to look into it. Anyways, I was wondering if there is anyway to get your file looked at again after your appeal is turned down, preferably by another medical officer, or if this is just the end?
P.S. thought I might include that I hold NOTHING against the medical officer and that I know that HE is the medical professional who has the final rule, I just thought that it would be nice to get a sort of second opinion on the matter
 
Your second opinion is the appeal. Good luck.
 
Hi there,
Yes I initially thought that the appeal would be the second opinion but the signature at the end of my first rejection and my appeal letter seem to be from the same person, I was wondering if there was anyway to directly ask for a different medical officer to review my case?
 
I hope everyone can cross their fingers wish me luck pray and anything else you can think of as it has been since March of 2017 I am on my 3rd appeal to get in the military and start and finish my career with them I am 49 5 10 205 been going to gym last 3 years healthy strong and have 25 years in IT experience the reason I am constantly getting rejected I told them I have headaches which were a minor thing but since I went to a neurologist they believe I have a chronic issue which i don’t. My last appeal may 4 2018 which is my 2nd so hopefully third time is lucky as all I desire is to serve my country and finish off my career with the military, I have all paperwork and a second neurologist confirming there is nothing wrong with me. I have had 4 complete medical in the last 1.5 years and have spent thousands of dollars preparing myself mentally physically and spiritually for a life in the Canadian Army and I am hoping I can get in the next BMQ which I asked and the said would be starting end of June early July 2018 as basic training is so much easier in summer than winter and I love the heat, if anyone has advice recommendations or anything else let me know, please PM me.

Edited to remove personal information.
 
You may want to remove your cell from your post and people can just PM you for it... I dont trust the internet.

Abdullah
 
Hi,
I emailed recruiting office in Toronto asking them about my medical process, and I received an email from them telling that medical officer in Ottawa was reviewing my file and may have identified a requirement for additional info. Now, I did all the blood work and eye test and the doctor told me I am ok, so I am confused and worried about why they need more additional info
They asked to follow up with them in 2 weeks
FYI I applied for Aerospace control operator
Thank you
 
Has anyone ever successfully appealed being deemed medically unfit to join the Canadian Forces? I am extremely healthy/fit and have no idea why they made this decision...It seems like they made a mistake.  I won't know the reason why until I get a letter in 3-4 months (what a joke)
 
nhall22 said:
Has anyone ever successfully appealed being deemed medically unfit to join the Canadian Forces?

You may find this discussion of Medical Appeals of interest,

Medical Rejected - Now what? [Merged]
https://army.ca/forums/threads/22935.150.html
7 pages.

Medical appeal
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca++medical+appeal&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gws_rd=ssl
 
nhall22 said:
Has anyone ever successfully appealed being deemed medically unfit to join the Canadian Forces? I am extremely healthy/fit and have no idea why they made this decision...It seems like they made a mistake.  I won't know the reason why until I get a letter in 3-4 months (what a joke)

What, exactly, is the joke? That you’re not at the top of their priority list in terms of receiving further correspondence while they continue to review hundreds of application processes? Or that you don’t know why you were rejected? Or both?

I understand your frustration and confusion, but if you are successful in your appeal (and if you honestly have absolutely zero inkling as to why you were found medically unfit, then I’d encourage you to appeal) you need to be aware that very, very little occurs quickly in the Forces. As well, calling anything related to the CAF “a joke” before you’re even in is disrespectful and arrogant.

 
The "joke" is that they can email me instead of sending a letter months down the road.  Let's communicate a little more efficiently you know?
 
nhall22 said:
The "joke" is that they can email me instead of sending a letter months down the road.  Let's communicate a little more efficiently you know?

Medical info is considered confidential and not send via email.
 
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