LPC leadership race - 2025

[Remius]

every single one? might as well register and vote for oneself then

It’s all or nothing and black and white for some.

I guess because the CPC voted against aid to Ukraine then one supports Russia right?

Or Pierre’s current stance on being pro choice means you are as well if you vote for him.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I doubt you’re going to be able to find much evidence that that comment by Trudeau was ever something many average Canadians, Liberals or otherwise, adopted as a viewpoint that reflects their beliefs. It’s a pretty questionable suggestion to hang your hat on. Canadians aren’t generally loud in our patriotism, but it’s there. We haven’t in living memory had a threat to our sovereignty like we’re seeing now, coupled with promised tangible attacks on our industries and businesses. That’s more than enough to take that quiet attachment to Canadianness and make it show a bit louder.

I agree, we will never know the actual support levels that exist(ed) for the idea of Canada being a/the first post national state. But I can say he (JT and the LPC) did win 3 elections, and he never pulled back from that statement, I stand to be corrected if he has.

Are we not holding political leaders to what they say anymore ? Do we just dismiss statements ? Have we become so dulled by the corruption of our leaders that lies no longer garner a response ? Are the electorate not responsible for who they put in government ?

 

[Remius]

I agree, we will never know the actual support levels that exist(ed) for the idea of Canada being a/the first post national state. But I can say he (JT and the LPC) did win 3 elections, and he never pulled back from that statement, I stand to be corrected if he has.

Are we not holding political leaders to what they say anymore ? Do we just dismiss statements ? Have we become to dulled by the corruption of our leaders that lies no longer garner a response ? Are the electorate not responsible for who they put in government ?

So you truly think that if someone votes a certain way then they are in full support of everything they say and all policies theyhave?

So then who did you vote for last election?

 

[suffolkowner]

What happens when your political champion changes their mind?

I agree, we will never know the actual support levels that exist(ed) for the idea of Canada being a/the first post national state. But I can say he (JT and the LPC) did win 3 elections, and he never pulled back from that statement, I stand to be corrected if he has.

Are we not holding political leaders to what they say anymore ? Do we just dismiss statements ? Have we become so dulled by the corruption of our leaders that lies no longer garner a response ? Are the electorate not responsible for who they put in government ?

So you truly think that if someone vote a certain way then they are in full support of everything they say and all policies the have?

So then who did you vote for last election?

 

[Halifax Tar]

So you truly think that if someone vote a certain way then they are in full support of everything they say and all policies the have?

I haven't heard any dissention, until now, around the post national state idea. Canada being a post national state was also mentioned as far back as 2000 by Jean Chretien.

Postnationalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So then who did you vote for last election?

Eric O'Toole and the CPC. I forget who my local candidate was.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What happens when your political champion changes their mind?

I don't have one. I have voted all across the spectrum.

I have very left leaning beliefs and right leaning.

But I do know I detest Justin Trudeau, I wont use hate but its close.

 

[Remius]

Eric O'Toole and the CPC. I forget who my local candidate was.

So then you agreed with his flip flop on guns and his assertion that the budget would balance itself?

 

[suffolkowner]

I haven't heard any dissention, until now, around the post national state idea. I know it was of the points that. Canada being a post national state was also mentioned as far back as 2000 by Jean Chretien.

Postnationalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Eric O'Toole and the CPC. I forget who my local candidate was.

i think most dont know, dont care, dont pay attention. You can look to Trudeau 1 for post nationalism in Canada at least
Sometimes you have to swallow some vinegar with the wine

I don't have one. I have vote all across the spectrum.

I have very left leaning beliefs and right leaning.

But I do know I detest Justin Trudeau, I wont use hate but its close.

well Trudeau is done, gone, on the way out.
the point is do you own every position that O'Toole had too or is there allowed some leeway

 

[lenaitch]

I despise the game of hockey, its a cancer on our country,

A therapist could have a field day with that.

 

[Halifax Tar]

@Remius @suffolkowner

I suppose you have a point.

My counter would be JT continued to win elections and assumed wide party support, until now. O'Toole not only lost the election but was ousted by his party, in no small way because of his waffling and his disconnect with the party.

 

[Halifax Tar]

A therapist could have a field day with that.

Why a person hates a sport ? Baseball is my favorite and I know people who hate it, why does one need therapy for that ?

 

[Remius]

@Remius @suffolkowner

I suppose you have a point.

My counter would be JT continued to win elections and assumed wide party support. O'Toole not only lost the election but was ousted by his party, in no small way because of his waffling.

Your counter has nothing to do with your premise though that if you support a leader or party that you must then be in support of all of their policies and statements.

It’s not an all or nothing.

Do you support the current CPC policy statement that could see your pension reduced to a defined contribution pension as opposed to a defined benefit?

What about crypto? Is that a way to insulate yourself from inflation?

I’m guessing you are then in the pro choice camp then when it comes to abortion.

You must also support supply management as a concept to protect Quebec dairy.

Just because some people vote a certain way doesn’t mean they support everything a leader says or each line item in a platform.

If I was a betting man there might be a few things (maybe three max) that people adamantly support or will choose to support. Or oppose.

Also your premise means you are opposed to everything a leader or party offers if you don’t vote for them. Because you rejected all of it.

Or conversely that protest votes or voting for the least bad option cannot exist in your world view.

 

[lenaitch]

Why a person hates a sport ? Baseball is my favorite and I know people who hate it, why does one need therapy for that ?

I just find concepts of hate, despise or referring to any sport as a cancer on our land as somewhere curiously extreme.

Interest, or lack of, to watch, follow or play, perhaps. Corrosive nationalism or pseudo-nationalism perhaps, but we take a back seat to Europe WRT to football/soccer on that one.

 

[RangerRay]

If people are going to vote for a party and leader one can only assume they support the ideologies and positions of the aforementioned. Why else would they vote for them ? And the idea of a post national state, is no minor belief.

Nice hair? ABC? Legalized weed? End to First-past-the-post? Vibes? There are all kinds of reasons why voters vote for a party but know nothing of their core ideology. I would say they constitute the vast majority of gettable voters.

I usually vote for the conservative party where I live because they align most closely to my beliefs, but usually those parties also have positions I vehemently disagree with. But I vehemently disagree with much more of the other parties on the left and right of them. Just because I vote for them doesn’t necessarily mean I agree with their entire ideology or platform.

Having said that, I will vote for a left wing party I absolutely disagree with if it means voting out a conservative government that is corrupt and unethical.

 

[RangerRay]

O'Toole not only lost the election but was ousted by his party, in no small way because of his waffling and his disconnect with the party.

Don’t forget the pro-Beijing elements within the CPC were pushing him out too.

 

[Remius]

I just find concepts of hate, despise or referring to any sport as a cancer on our land as somewhere curiously extreme.

Interest, or lack of, to watch, follow or play, perhaps. Corrosive nationalism or pseudo-nationalism perhaps, but we take a back seat to Europe WRT to football/soccer on that one.

Not going to lie, cricket angers and confuses me.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Your counter has nothing to do with your premise though that if you support a leader or party that you must then be in support of all of their policies and statements.

It’s not an all or nothing.

Do you support the current CPC policy statement that could see your pension reduced to a defined contribution pension as opposed to a defined benefit?

What about crypto? Is that a way to insulate yourself from inflation?

I’m guessing you are then in the pro choice camp then when it comes to abortion.

You must also support supply management as a concept to protect Quebec dairy.

Just because some people vote a certain way doesn’t mean they support everything a leader says or each line item in a platform.

If I was a betting man there might be a few things (maybe three max) that people adamantly support or will choose to support. Or oppose.

Also your premise means you are opposed to everything a leader or party offers if you don’t vote for them. Because you rejected all of it.

Or conversely that protest votes or voting for the least bad option cannot exist in your world view.

I've already conceded your point, I don't owe you a line by line justification of various polices.

And I stand by my counter. You can disagree with it all you'd like. O'Toole lost in no small part because the party and country rejected his ideas. JT continued to win, one must assume with the party in support of his ideas; inclusive of post nationalism. The strength in that specific belief will never be known.

We are both assuming.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Not going to lie, cricket angers and confuses me.

I actually played it once in Toronto. Very confusing.

I also gave Aussie Football a whirl, another confusing game.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Not going to lie, cricket angers and confuses me.

It's the British way

 

[brihard]

I agree, we will never know the actual support levels that exist(ed) for the idea of Canada being a/the first post national state. But I can say he (JT and the LPC) did win 3 elections, and he never pulled back from that statement, I stand to be corrected if he has.

Are we not holding political leaders to what they say anymore ? Do we just dismiss statements ? Have we become so dulled by the corruption of our leaders that lies no longer garner a response ? Are the electorate not responsible for who they put in government ?

I’d simply say it’s a mostly philosophical idea/statement that’s so remote from the day to day realities we all mostly concern ourselves with that probably few people have bothered sparing it much thought. We’re more concerned with the things that hit our paycheck, cost of living, and mortgage rates.